Tired of SEO Speculations and Myths

jcorkern · 02-11-2007, 01:52 AM

I hear all the time myths and speculations from people who take good and valid information and rip it apart from speculation, out of fear, lack of understanding ect....

The # 1 myth is that you cant keep up with seo because it is always changing. This is true to an extent but is greatly blown out of proportion.

There are suttle changes to stop spammers from dominating the serps, but the basics of seo will never change. Links is a good point. the first thing i want to cover is that all links have value and always will. it does not matter if it is relevant or not. the lamest link will have some value. the closer it is related to your site, the higher the value is as far as the search engines are concerned.
I have even heard people go as far to say that links have no value in the search engines.
Lets look at this in a common sense way. The entire internet is based on links. you go to a search engine and type in a phrase and it gives you a list of links. you click one and then when you finish you have to click a link to go to another page.
No matter where you go on the net, you have to use links.
They may change the value of links but can not take links out of the system.

It is kinda like our road and hwy infrastructure. they may change the road signs, change a speed limit, add slippery when wet sign, and a stop sign or even a red light. but you can not remove the road or it all falls apart.

If you remove links, you destroy the internet.

Now, Duplicate content. If people understood the reason for dup content filters they would understand what it does. it is not what you think!

Look at this : 1 - 10 of about 3,410 for "removing the voodoo from seo"

Do a search for that phrase in yahoo or google. you will find it thousands of times in either search engine, yet it is "dup content" as most understand it.

The facts are that dup content is actualy duplicate websites, page for page, file name for file name, image for image. a 100% COPY of another site. They put these filters in place to make spammers take the time to build different sites if they wanted to dominate all top 10 positions in the serps.

this is the reasoning for the algorithms. to stop spammers and stop any attempt of monoply.

If you stop to think before you accept a general seo lie, you will see the reasoning for the algorithm, changes are subtle, not drastic and they can be easy adjustments, but if you do seo the right way to start, you will not even be affected to start with.

Do not go onto a football field with a baseball bat and you do not have to fear being ejected or rejected, or even punished.

SEO is not rocket science. Just Common sense.

jumpenjuhosaphat · 02-11-2007, 09:41 AM

That's all pretty interesting. What is your source? I agree that most links will have value, but the duplicate content part I'm not buying. Would you mind giving a link to the source of your information?

Squashy · 02-12-2007, 06:17 PM

Regarding duplicate content, I have personally seen instances wherein a re-published article would rank higher in SERPS than the original one, and where the site where the original article was from has like, 3-5 PR levels more than the "dupe" page. Goes to show that how most of us think SEs handle duplicate content may be wrong.

trichnosis · 02-13-2007, 01:17 AM

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jcorkern · 02-19-2007, 09:21 PM

I am not asking you to buy the dup content. look at the evidence. How may articles are live for 18 months on article directories?

The evidence is there. Most things get taken way out of context. Dup content is 1 of them.

I am sure google could catch 10,000 articles within 18 months on article directories with dup content filters. yet they do not. and there are hundreds of thousands of them on hundreds of sites per articles.

go to any article directory and get the title from as many articles as you like and do a search on the titles and you will find hundreds of "duplicates" all over the web for each. if it were true then the article directories would be removed from their indexes also.

this is common sense.

jumpenjuhosaphat · 02-19-2007, 09:52 PM

But the search engines don't say that they don't give any credit to duplicated content, they say that duplicated content doesn't carry as much weight. This is true at a very basic level. If you duplicate any content, you are creating competition for that content, and you are using content that already has competition. That's at a basic level. Now no one knows how the search engines handle duplicate content, however, it can be assumed that if you do a search for content not using the title of an article, a more natural search, the first results will be unique 90% of the time. I've never actually tested that, so I could be wrong, and in some cases, much of the content is very duplicated, but that is more for a lack of better unique information than anything else. In all, it's always going to be better to create unique content, less competition, and not second guessing how the search engines handle duplicate content.

jcorkern · 02-20-2007, 01:49 AM

Well, you need to test, you might be suprised. SEO software helps to analyize data and the link values on like or similar pages and articles cary similar link values. Do a complete copy of a website and try to push it up with links and one of the sites will get removed from the index of the search engines. But, these are exact copies. Now, As far as having different results in the search engines for a natural search from content. That is directly related to the authority of sites, so that cake dont bake either.
You can have a pr 9 page with the phrase "and she walked in" and of course it will show up before pr 0 thru 8 sites if all of the sites involved not in the title or onpaged forr that phrase. it comes down to pure authority if no site is competeing for that phrase. This again is common sense.

Stop and think about it!

princess23 · 02-20-2007, 05:30 PM

nice article content.. thanks for sharing this

charlesgan · 02-26-2007, 03:31 PM

make your site useful, and you will get accepted and recommended everywhere. or somewhere at least.

02-11-2007, 01:52 AM	#1
jcorkern Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 64	Tired of SEO Speculations and Myths I hear all the time myths and speculations from people who take good and valid information and rip it apart from speculation, out of fear, lack of understanding ect.... The # 1 myth is that you cant keep up with seo because it is always changing. This is true to an extent but is greatly blown out of proportion. There are suttle changes to stop spammers from dominating the serps, but the basics of seo will never change. Links is a good point. the first thing i want to cover is that all links have value and always will. it does not matter if it is relevant or not. the lamest link will have some value. the closer it is related to your site, the higher the value is as far as the search engines are concerned. I have even heard people go as far to say that links have no value in the search engines. Lets look at this in a common sense way. The entire internet is based on links. you go to a search engine and type in a phrase and it gives you a list of links. you click one and then when you finish you have to click a link to go to another page. No matter where you go on the net, you have to use links. They may change the value of links but can not take links out of the system. It is kinda like our road and hwy infrastructure. they may change the road signs, change a speed limit, add slippery when wet sign, and a stop sign or even a red light. but you can not remove the road or it all falls apart. If you remove links, you destroy the internet. Now, Duplicate content. If people understood the reason for dup content filters they would understand what it does. it is not what you think! Look at this : 1 - 10 of about 3,410 for "removing the voodoo from seo" Do a search for that phrase in yahoo or google. you will find it thousands of times in either search engine, yet it is "dup content" as most understand it. The facts are that dup content is actualy duplicate websites, page for page, file name for file name, image for image. a 100% COPY of another site. They put these filters in place to make spammers take the time to build different sites if they wanted to dominate all top 10 positions in the serps. this is the reasoning for the algorithms. to stop spammers and stop any attempt of monoply. If you stop to think before you accept a general seo lie, you will see the reasoning for the algorithm, changes are subtle, not drastic and they can be easy adjustments, but if you do seo the right way to start, you will not even be affected to start with. Do not go onto a football field with a baseball bat and you do not have to fear being ejected or rejected, or even punished. SEO is not rocket science. Just Common sense. __________________ The SEO Company that brings you to the world Get our FREE SEO E-Book at our site.

02-11-2007, 09:41 AM	#2
jumpenjuhosaphat Forum Admin Contributor Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 4,459	Re: Tired of SEO Speculations and Myths That's all pretty interesting. What is your source? I agree that most links will have value, but the duplicate content part I'm not buying. Would you mind giving a link to the source of your information? __________________ Storage Sheds Lost Forum

02-12-2007, 06:17 PM	#3
Squashy Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: http://www.tigersquash.com Posts: 52	Re: Tired of SEO Speculations and Myths Regarding duplicate content, I have personally seen instances wherein a re-published article would rank higher in SERPS than the original one, and where the site where the original article was from has like, 3-5 PR levels more than the "dupe" page. Goes to show that how most of us think SEs handle duplicate content may be wrong. __________________ Ituloy Angsulong

02-13-2007, 01:17 AM	#4
trichnosis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 452	Re: Tired of SEO Speculations and Myths article is very good thanks for sharing this __________________ Türkçe Bilgi \| Hobiler \| Satranç \| 2

02-19-2007, 09:21 PM	#5
jcorkern Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 64	Re: Tired of SEO Speculations and Myths I am not asking you to buy the dup content. look at the evidence. How may articles are live for 18 months on article directories? The evidence is there. Most things get taken way out of context. Dup content is 1 of them. I am sure google could catch 10,000 articles within 18 months on article directories with dup content filters. yet they do not. and there are hundreds of thousands of them on hundreds of sites per articles. go to any article directory and get the title from as many articles as you like and do a search on the titles and you will find hundreds of "duplicates" all over the web for each. if it were true then the article directories would be removed from their indexes also. this is common sense. __________________ The SEO Company that brings you to the world Get our FREE SEO E-Book at our site.

02-19-2007, 09:52 PM	#6
jumpenjuhosaphat Forum Admin Contributor Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 4,459	Re: Tired of SEO Speculations and Myths But the search engines don't say that they don't give any credit to duplicated content, they say that duplicated content doesn't carry as much weight. This is true at a very basic level. If you duplicate any content, you are creating competition for that content, and you are using content that already has competition. That's at a basic level. Now no one knows how the search engines handle duplicate content, however, it can be assumed that if you do a search for content not using the title of an article, a more natural search, the first results will be unique 90% of the time. I've never actually tested that, so I could be wrong, and in some cases, much of the content is very duplicated, but that is more for a lack of better unique information than anything else. In all, it's always going to be better to create unique content, less competition, and not second guessing how the search engines handle duplicate content. __________________ Storage Sheds Lost Forum

02-20-2007, 01:49 AM	#7
jcorkern Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 64	Re: Tired of SEO Speculations and Myths Well, you need to test, you might be suprised. SEO software helps to analyize data and the link values on like or similar pages and articles cary similar link values. Do a complete copy of a website and try to push it up with links and one of the sites will get removed from the index of the search engines. But, these are exact copies. Now, As far as having different results in the search engines for a natural search from content. That is directly related to the authority of sites, so that cake dont bake either. You can have a pr 9 page with the phrase "and she walked in" and of course it will show up before pr 0 thru 8 sites if all of the sites involved not in the title or onpaged forr that phrase. it comes down to pure authority if no site is competeing for that phrase. This again is common sense. Stop and think about it! __________________ The SEO Company that brings you to the world Get our FREE SEO E-Book at our site.

02-20-2007, 05:30 PM	#8
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