TdotB

Hello,

I don't appreciate the fact that one of the mods went in and changed my signature to "Only 2 signature links per user please. Thank you." First of all, it doesn't say that you can only have 2 links when you go into the Edit Signature section. Second of all, most forums will have it programmed so that you will get an error if you've done something wrong instead of replacing someone's signature with some irrelevant text and deleting their links. You could have just deleted one of my links and sent me a private message or something. I can't even remember exactly what it looked like so now I've got to go and try to recreate that bbcode that I had in my signature.

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midlandi

If you check under forum rules it clearly states

SIGNATURES

* Signatures are set up in your profile and are optional.

* Signatures should be no longer than three lines and the font sizes should not be distracting from the content (under font size 3). You can only have a maximum of two links inside your signature.
{ REASON: We're trying to make it fair for everyone; the links are search engine friendly, pagerank will share to them so if everyone has a limit of 2 links each, then pagerank should share out evenly. }

* You cannot have links to explicit, adult-related, pornographic, illegal, or obscene content in your signature.

* Staff reserves the right to remove your signature with proper and formal reason to do so.
* Do not use the bottom of each post as a replacement for signature, no matter how many links you use. Your signature or any signature imitations should only contain a max of 2 links and/or follow normal signature rules. Failure to try to sneak around signature rules will result in infractions/warnings and eventually banishment.

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I still think it could have been handled better. How many people actually remember all the forum rules? Like I said, they could have easily just deleted the third link. It's not like I was trying to sneak around and get that tiny bit more pagerank from my signature especially since they are nofollow links and have no seo bearing whatsoever.

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primeryder

Are the signature links at Iwebtool using nofollow tags?
That means nobody gets any pagerank at all?

Wow I just checked the source code, this forum does use no follow tags.
So how are you guys evenly distributing zero, since no none here is getting any pr transfered to their site?

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jumpenjuhosaphat

There aren't that many rules to remember. If you would take the time to read them, you would know that. My job isn't to decide which of your links to keep, I don't do that, that's a decision that is up to you to make. My job is to make sure that the rules are followed. It's unfortunate that you don't like the way that I handle enforcing the rules, however, the rules need to be enforced, and if it weren't for the hard work of a couple of Staff members and moderators, this board would be filled with all sorts of spam, irrelevant information, and signature violations that distract and destroy the integrity of this forum. The best solution to your issue would be for you to read the rules, it won't take you that long, and adhere to them as if you respected the rules set in place by the administration of this forum.


The no follow attribute will dissappear after you have successfully made 50 posts.

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"The no follow attribute will dissappear after you have successfully made 50 posts" ................Oh, I never knew that, thanks

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TdotB

Wow, I've been in many forums and I've never encountered a forum as strict as this one. I read the rules and I still think that there are a lot and could easily be forgotten by a human.

It's so simple just to delete the third link instead of making the violation public in my signature in all my posts and then I have to try and remember what anchor text I was using and recreate my signature. I have hundreds of posts on Digital Point and they aren't nearly as strict as you guys and there is far more integrity in those forums. Even the rule to have 50 posts before the nofollow gets removed is unheard of. Most forums have at most 10 posts because spammers aren't going to post 11 posts to get a couple of links from 1 page in a forum that may or may not get any worthwhile PR. I think your approach is overkill.

I usually focus on a few forums and I have a fair bit of knowledge that I add to the forums in SEO and at least one person thinks so because I have a green rep and then I add one link too many in my signature, unintentionally, and you delete my signature and put a warning message for all to see, how friendly and community-oriented. Way to be 'flexible' as your forum rules say you try to be.

At this point you can ban me or whatever you want because I really don't care. I should be visiting the small business forum more anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys did that or if you removed this thread altogether as seems to be the way you deal with things when you don't like them.

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jumpenjuhosaphat

That seems funny to me that you would think that because we uphold our rules that we are strict. You don't seem to understand what the rules are in place for. Actually, what is supposed to happen when a rule is broken is the user is supposed to get an infraction warning. That is something that is public, and cannot be removed. I think that in all fairness, I am bending quite a ways by giving you the opportunity to fix the problem without a permanent mark on your profile.

We don't ban people for speaking their minds. If you look at our ban list, you would see that the only members there are spammers or people who do something so off the wall and unnecessary that we have no choice.

You seem somehow inconvienienced by having to resubmit your signature links. Have you thought about the time I have to spend removing those links because a select few people don't bother to read the rules. My job is to enforce the rules, my job isn't to justify enforcing them. If you don't agree with the rules then you don't have to be here. But I guess it would help if you read them first.

Before you fire off at the mouth, you should think about how your actions, or lack thereof, affects other people, and stop worrying about how inconvienienced you have become by me asking you to abide by the rules. If my enforcing the rules here bothers you that much, then you always have the option of not being here.

That's not to say that you aren't wanted or aren't welcome. We always appreciate a valuable opinion. But we don't need it so much that we are willing to waste our time trying to figure out which one of your links to remove. I am not being unfair to you....I respond to everyone's signature link violations the same way. So how am I to decide if someone has 10 links in their signature which of their links to keep? If I keep 2 of yours, I'd have to keep 2 of theirs too, and I shouldn't have to spend that much of my time when it is your responsibility to conform to the rules in the first place.

The 50 posts for a no follow is a fair requirement. The links in your signature are a way for this community to give back to it's faithful members. I would hardly consider a person with 10 posts a faithful member. That's not to say that they won't be. But as time goes on, and a person posts more and more, they show their commitment to our community by being an active part of it. It has nothing to do with spam, it has to do with community. If you want a link back to your site, this community will be willing to give it to you, if, and only if, you are willing to become a part of that community. If you are here to advertise your site, which is the case much of the time, then you will have to work harder to see any benefit.

As far as integrity. What? Maybe you don't understand what that word means. There have been members of iwebtool that have made mistakes, but have openly made their errors right, have apologized for those mistakes, have admitted to those mistakes, and taken actions to see that the same mistakes aren't repeated. To err is human. I'd call that integrity. This community is a budding community, less than a year old and still growing strong. Sure, it's true that we don't have 35,000 members, we don't have 100 new posts every hour, but for some, me included, that is of value. The members of this community go out of their way to help their fellow man in his time of need with the best advice that they can give. I call that integrity. I don't, however, consider my upholding the rules of this forum a lack of integrity.

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TdotB

Sorry, I don't consider my actions of adding one too many links in my signature a big inconvenience. Isn't that your job as an iWebTool staff member? If it's that much of an inconvenience to you then get one of your programmers who create all those awesome tools to write a simple piece of code to reject a signature submission if it has more than 2 links like they have at other forums.

BTW, I never said that this forum didn't have any integrity. I just meant that digital point has probably the best quality and community out there and they don't apply rules like these. My point was that I don't think you have to be as strict to achieve integrity as you say you do.

Also, it's not that you uphold your rules that makes you strict - that's misrepresenting what I said. My point is the way you uphold the rules and the rules themselves.

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jumpenjuhosaphat

My job as a staff member is to uphold the rules, not edit your profile.

My job as a staff member isn't just correcting signature links violations. We must go through, and read each and every post, and make sure that there aren't any spam threads. We must also make sure that someone doesn't flame other members, hijack threads, post offensive or otherwise illegal links or content, ensure that the forum isn't being used solely as an advertising medium, and many many other tasks. These are tasks that are a requirement of my position, and I don't mind doing it, because it helps to keep our community clean and friendly, and fair. I am dedicated to help make this community a success, part of that dedication is the time that I put into doing my job as a Staff member. If we were to take those very rules that you disagree with so adamently, and get rid of them, then chances are you would never be here in the first place, and neither would anyone else, neither would I. It's the placement and following of these rules that helps keep this community a nice place to return to. I apologize if you don't agree with the rules, or how I uphold them, but that is just the way it is, because it is my belief that this is part of the reason that we have a strong community.

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Katey

Hi there,

If you strongly believe that us moderators are doing our jobs wrongly, or the rules are too strict - that is beyond our power.

We as moderators, are allowed to take whatever process that we feel is necessary, whether that is removing your signature, or giving you an infraction.

These rules are set for us too.

If you feel this is so strict and that we are acting out of order, send a ticket of complaint to the main webmasters of iWebTool. Although I do think that you will get the exact same response as jumpenjuhosaphat.

You are really lucky that they just removed your links, sometimes people don't get a chance and get infractions upon their username...think about it.

Sorry this caused inconvenience anyway, and yes, the nofollow is removed after 50 posts.


Regards,
Kieran Taylor.

TdotB

nicely exemplifies my point

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Katey

Hi there,

If anyone would like to complain about the way moderators are acting or doing things, please make a complaint through the ticket services, etc.

I am now closing this thread.


Regards,
Kieran Taylor.