jumpenjuhosaphat

I just downloaded a FireFox extension that has a number of SEO tools that you can apply to your google.com and yahoo.com searches. I thought maybe some of you could benefit from it. Check it out.
http://tools.seobook.com/firefox/seo-for-firefox.html

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jumpenjuhosaphat

I just used the above tool, and I noticed that the listings don't go in order of PR. I thought that PR was the major contributor in determining SERP position? I saw a PR0 above results for PR6 and PR7. What gives?

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compuXP

You sure? In Google or Yahoo? I know that's a stupid question, but Yahoo doesn't follow PR...

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Google Search Results are NOT ordered by PageRank! It would look silly if they were.

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jumpenjuhosaphat

Well, then now I am confused. What is PR and what does Google order sq's by?

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Google gives each page in it's index a PageRank. The PageRank value can be between 0 and 10, with 10 being the highest. PageRank is useless, it's just not good for anything. Google has always and will always order their results by relevence. Now backlinks and all that stuff matters.

I would forget about PageRank and focus on other things. It's useless. Even if it were just for webmasters to say how good their rank is, it's just more useful to say how many pages they have indexed, that would be more useful.

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jumpenjuhosaphat

Okay, that clarifies it better. Thanks.

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isulongseoph

Google depends on a page's PR. It is the basis of ranking. We see some pages with PR0 higher that pages with PR6 and 7 because that page with PR0 already has a higher potential PR than those with PR6 and 7. The real value of its PR is not yet displayed because it needs to be computed well. I think Google needs 40-100 iterations to compute for that page's real PR.

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BTW, the browser tool is cool. Thumbs up!

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jumpenjuhosaphat

Thanks is, that was insightful. That makes since. So the PR0's I saw were their previous google page rank, and when google updates, the PR will relfect their position more accurately? If thats right, then I guess it would be easy to determine when google does update.

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I think this is wrong...

For example, say you searched Google for the word "daniel". You see 559,000,000 results. How does Google order them? By PR? No. By relevence.

Say CNN.com has a page that contained "daniel" in it. Say Daniel.com contained "daniel" in it. It would depend upon lots of factors, the main one being how many backlinks each page had, but more importantly what the text said that linked to that page. If you link to the Daniel.com page with the word "Daniel", it would rank higher because it was more relevent to the search term "daniel". Evey if the page on CNN.com was a PR10, my guess would be that the page on Daniel.com would rank higher.

It would look absolutely silly if Google search results were ordered by PR! Lol!

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Matt_Otherwise

Googles PR is a Rank based on the stored and pre-calculated ranking algorithm which looks at many factors, linking being a prominent factor. PageRank is not keyword specific and is a general, overall rank of your site.

When you perform a specific search google then attempts to rank the pages most relevant for that keyword phrase and this is not based solely on PR.

For example a site with PR0 but with a keyword density of 5% for the search term would probably appear above a site with PR5 and 1% keyword density for the search term, which in turn would appear above a site of PR10 and 0.5% keyword density.

This is a very very over simplified example of the way google ranks but it gets the concept of PR across i hope.

PR is most certainly not useless unless you don't understand it. If you had never seen a car before and didn't know how to start it then you'd probably think it was fairly useless, where as in fact the problem lay in your understanding and ability not in the car itself.

Matt_Otherwise

Oh and on the subject of the toolbar,

http://www.rankquest.com/download-toolbar.html

is one of the best i have come across from the entire selection available through Mozilla's offical site.

jumpenjuhosaphat

Okay, so I now know why I was so confused, you say "it would rank higher" and I was confusing that with page rank.....what you mean is it would have a higher SERP rank, and that the PR is something completely different and unrelated. So the PR only comes into play when talking about sites with equal relevance to the search term.

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dhundee

yes i suppose, although i can also assume that PR may have some sort of relation, if a PR 9 related page is linked to your site, and they anchor keyword you used is higly relevant, that would put you on top on a site linked to 2 PR 0 (also related content).

oh btw, does anyone knew how a banned site from can affect your ranking if you linked to them, is there any calculations on these?

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