Up for Review?

LastRezort · 02-20-2008, 08:22 PM

Well it’s my turn I guess... I have made comments about your website(s) its only fair you get to do the same about the ones I have 'sorta' designed.

Bushnell Engineering, Inc.
Vapor Fuel Technologies LLC
http://greenfueltech.blogspot.com/

They are all formed from a template as I am still new to web design. I did add the popout menu to the Bushnell one, that was fun. Trying to decide if I want to leave the flash menu behind on the VFT site for optimization purposes. But yea like I said I am a noob to this world so let me know what you think don’t worry I have thick skin so I wont come back and yell at you for picking on me its far better than the first website I ever built and I wouldn’t even post it for fear of being laughed out of the community. The blog is just a blogspot template nothing special but an interesting read!

Virtual-City · 02-23-2008, 11:46 AM

lastRezort...
how r u doing? sorry for taking solong reply... now its my turn to review ur site ....lol
well
the 1st site looks fine to me u havent really done anything special in it its just a tamplete
the 1st wont open!! mb something with hosting
i like the third site really ... the colors looks great ... and tamplate is simple
im not really an expert but i tried to review
good work bro
try to improve more and try to do something u designed from zero
good luck

hasan_889 · 02-24-2008, 02:29 AM

1st website looks alright ... logo little bit blur
2nd website is not working
3rd website is just a blogger template ... nothing special for review

webcosmo · 02-24-2008, 05:04 AM

I wouldn't review 2nd and third.
First one is ok. You need some polishing. Use css for fonts, make them little smaller; 12 pixel is a good size.
Logo blurred. Site structure very nice. Good luck.

LastRezort · 02-24-2008, 07:03 PM

Thanks guys .. very helpful comments .. sorry about site 2 for whatever reason its been down most of the weekend it looks like. Hopefully its back up soon. Thanks again .. I am hoping to start creating something of my own design soon ... These we definately learning experiences ... well everyone have a good one!

estranged911 · 02-25-2008, 01:11 PM

Loads very fast.. nice subtled colors.. Good job.

jperezmt · 02-25-2008, 04:22 PM

The first one looks nice. Very simple, logo is a bit blurry though as stated by hasan.

I would get rid of the flash though and add some html content. It looks empty with just a welcome and then a flash block in the middle. Plus flash sucks in many ways, I won't get into that. But good start.

amritrr · 02-28-2008, 08:07 PM

I like the first site but the menu font could be made a little smaller..

traderzoe · 02-29-2008, 12:05 AM

Bushnell site:

* Nice colors
* Easy to navigate
* Does not give an immediate template feel
* Decent content
** Nice overview of everything. I don't know how marketing works in the product design industry, but I might consider also adding some "deeper" pages that expand on the various concepts and services you offer.
** Maybe add some in-depth case studies (extending on the portfolio) for your most impacting client results and a single page "overview" of every service you list on the services page.

* A variety of spacing differences in Firefox
* Menu bullets are showing in Firefox (not in IE which I assume is what you are using/designed for)
* Flash is not loading in Firefox
* header tags (h1, h2, h5) are not styling tools (semantically speaking). The quote on every page, "Providing leading edge design in a diverse range of fields." is listed as an h5 immediately following an h1.
** First I would consider changing that quote on every page to reflect the specific content of that page
** Second if you are going to bother defying the semantic web for SEO or other reasons, use the next logical tag, in this case make an h2 and use it's containing "introduction" div to make it "look" like you want it to look. Using header tags simply to get the right size is not good form, neither for the semantic web or SEO without intention.
* On the same note: Similarly the h1 is on the section of the website, not on the actual page content title. I would either opt to use two h1's (controversial) or move the h1 to the actual page content header/title and in turn make the subsection there-in there appropriate step down (changing all the h3's to h2's) and make the section header a styled p. Either way I would make sure that the page header is an h1 and all page-subsections are appropriately h2 and so on. Personally I would lean towards using two h1's, as I've pointed out before, to me, the masthead/layout of a site are really there own section, and the specific page content is another, making two h1's a necessity. I base this logic on turning off all styles and determining how I would want that content "sectioned" off so that the visitor knows exactly what they are looking at.

But a very nice site that conveys useful information about your company.

Vapor fuel site:

* Like the Bushnell site, the content is there as a nice overview. Again not knowing typical marketing in this industry it is unclear if you are covering everything you should to optimize interest. And while we all struggle with the magical landing page that says it all in one sentence and a useful graphic with a call to action, you could do more with the home page.

* This site looks like a template
* While I appreciate the goal of the color scheme attempting to give a sense of vapor, I would be more inclined to call it vaporous.
* Pastel blues and greens do not fit with the more vibrant sky blues
* Subtle Spacing/layout differences between Firefox and IE.

This is a very interesting site conceptually and content-wise. I actually want to know more about what you are talking about, but it is not there on the site. While the "template" layout and colors are a turn-off I am curious enough about what you are doing to want to do some quick research of my own to learn more. I am probably not the only one. Consider creating informational articles giving background to your industry and the technologies you are creating/working with. Your Green Fuel blog is a nice idea and could answer this need to a certain degree, but I think some well thought out white papers or industry specific articles would be a nice touch and keep me on the site longer.

Green fuel blog site:

* Obviously this is a new blog and once it has more useful posts might be an interesting read to those who
* While there is nothing wrong with the template, it is quite nice to look at actually, it does not FEEL like a Green FUEL TECHNOLOGY NEWS site. It does feel green and environmental, but not for the segment of the population I assume this blog would be targeting.
* TYPO in header: Technolgy s/b Technology

It is good that you are getting a jump on exposing yourself and creating informational content though. Take it seriously and hopefully it will be a truly useful resource that also begins to attract attention to your primary businesses.

If you would look more exposure, our new site has a Green Business community Green Business community where posts and thoughts related to your existing blog would be encouraged and welcome.
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I agree with most of the comments that have already been posted here, though I had no connectivity problems.

I would say that for being a self-proclaimed "newbie" to web design, even implementing those templates and getting nicely formatted content online is quite a success and should be applauded. We are all learning everyday, and even advice I dole out from time to time isn't always heeded by myself. There is just too much to do sometimes. But it helps reviewing other peoples work in that it forces you to re-examine your own work and see better where you should improve and focus.

And like any advice I give, these are just my opinions, and despite nearly 10 years of design experience and working with the internet, I'm not sure I would not consider myself an authority. That just gets you into trouble!

LastRezort · 03-04-2008, 05:05 PM

Traderzoe that was a very detailed and helpful review and I appreciate the amount of time and effort that was put fourth for such a review as well as the rest of you. Thank you all very much. I definitely have my work cut out for me.

Bushnell site
It looks as though I have some research I need to do as far as making a website compatible with both IE and FireFox. I do not even have FireFox installed on my computer (need to do soon). As far as SEO semantics thanks for the quick lesson. I am very curious about the point you brought up ... using two h1 tags ... do robots actually distinguish the difference between an introduction section having an h1 tag and a main section having an h1 tag? If so are there specific titles to these sections for them to actually recognize the different sections? And to make sure I completely comprehend, for instance the 'about Bushnell' page code:

now
div - introduction
h1
h5
div - main
h3

possible change
div - introduction
h1
h2 or p-style
div - main
h1 - page content
h2 - subsections

This is what I believe you are ultimately proposing correct? As far as the robots and SEO I thought they would only see them as repeats not actually different sections. But I do agree the 'now' is wrong either way and I am sure your suggestion wouldn't do any harm. The 'deeper' content we are working on especially for the services side.

Vapor Fuel site
"This site looks like a template" - ouch, but very true and I am going to be working very hard on correcting that.
*The color scheme - I didn’t want to go with something to dark but maybe pastel isn’t the right choice either. Maybe something a bit more vibrant for the menu bar and go to a white for the content so its not too much color.
*Again need to do some research on designing sites for use w/Firefox.

I am glad you enjoyed the overall content of the website. If you find yourself with time please feel free to email us some of those questions you felt the need to research further or any that are unanswered as we are more than happy to answer them. We have a wealth of information but we have been working on this project for some time and tend accidentally leave information out because it becomes a known around here.

Blog
Fixed the typo... Thanks!
We should probably consider dropping the 'news' since it is not so much news as it is informative and it would probably appeal to a larger audience.
I appreciate your offer to your new site and will be taking you up on that since I have even less knowledge about the blog world I need all the help I can get.

Again any further questions or comments about either content or website do not hesitate to contact us using the contact information on any of the sites.

Thanks again to everyone and I will do my best to get these suggestions implemented.

enous · 03-06-2008, 05:03 AM

Good post and thx for sharing

skyline1 · 03-19-2008, 07:04 AM

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traderzoe · 03-19-2008, 08:43 PM

Glad you were able to get something useful from my post LastRezort.

Regarding the h1 and document structure:

Searching on this topic reveals very different attitudes regarding whether or not two h1 tags are appropriate or useful. Often it depends if you are talking to a purist developer or a marketing/SEO person.

To be clear, the h1 tag is intended as a major section header demarcating one clear topic which have many different subtopics. Therefore the purist (and certain copywriters) would argue that if you have two major topics on one page of your website you are simply doing something wrong to start with.

However, to my mind, the masthead/navigation (i.e. the common layout elements of a webpage) are by definition not part of the actual content and therefore a wholly separate conceptual element of the page. Therefore SHOULD be demarcated as such. Thus your suggested structural change makes sense to me. You are telling browsers and other content readers where the useful information on the page starts and stops.

The w3 standard has this to say:

"A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically.....Some people consider skipping heading levels to be bad practice. They accept H1 H2 H1 while they do not accept H1 H3 H1 since the heading level H2 is skipped."

Thus based on this I feel as though I am vindicated and safe in my logic. But is my logic sound in the first place remains to be seen. From that quote above it implies that using two h1 tags is appropriate. Whether it is recommended is up to the developer.

More importantly the overall impact of this on your organic SERP ranking is another issue and not something I really feel qualified to answer. I am not a professional SEO (my background s in design) though now that I am partnered with one of my design clients and have a vested interest in the success and marketing of that company I have been studying everything I can (which is what led me to this and many other sites).

What I do know is that googlebot understands the semantic structure of a site and that it treats header tags (h1, h2, h3 etc...), anchor tags, and bold/italic elements as important. How important in relation to each other is unclear. But this is why if you were to look at the source code for some sites you would see many more h1's and h2's, links, and bold text that might be appropriate for a legitimate presentation.

In my experience if you structure your page in a smart, consistent, and legitimate manner, googlebot will index those pages well, assuming there is useful content to index (and the more unique the better). However, I have also learned that the googlebot algorithm seems to be capable of manipulation by those people building spam sites, link farms, and other less useful content despite googles efforts to prevent this.

You have legitimate content and what seems like a good business idea and I have no doubt that as you grow your presence, even if you left things as they were you would be showing good rankings. Keep growing and presenting legitimate content (and get useful relevant resources to link to you). That is more important than argument over semantics.

As for "deeper" content, that just comes with time and perserverance. Rushing it tends to result in weak or spammy content.

You've got a good thing and wish you the best of luck. Definitely install firefox (and possibly safari). You want to check your sites in as many browsers as you can. Often there are simple fixes for things like the bullet problem you were having. I would have to look at your site again, but I believe that firefox and IE render list styles differently, and where you are indicating list-style: none on either the ul or the li needs to also be applied to the other (off the top of my head, but I can't remember that exact issue right now). But as you will soon discover, web development is only a pain in the ass because not all browsers are created equal.

I hope you are finding your day well.

Gloria1 · 03-20-2008, 04:01 AM

great! I like the layout!

Gloria1 · 03-24-2008, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by traderzoe

Glad you were able to get something useful from my post LastRezort.

Regarding the h1 and document structure:

Searching on this topic reveals very different attitudes regarding whether or not two h1 tags are appropriate or useful. Often it depends if you are talking to a purist developer or a marketing/SEO person.

To be clear, the h1 tag is intended as a major section header demarcating one clear topic which have many different subtopics. Therefore the purist (and certain copywriters) would argue that if you have two major topics on one page of your website you are simply doing something wrong to start with.

However, to my mind, the masthead/navigation (i.e. the common layout elements of a webpage) are by definition not part of the actual content and therefore a wholly separate conceptual element of the page. Therefore SHOULD be demarcated as such. Thus your suggested structural change makes sense to me. You are telling browsers and other content readers where the useful information on the page starts and stops.

The w3 standard has this to say:

"A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically.....Some people consider skipping heading levels to be bad practice. They accept H1 H2 H1 while they do not accept H1 H3 H1 since the heading level H2 is skipped."

Thus based on this I feel as though I am vindicated and safe in my logic. But is my logic sound in the first place remains to be seen. From that quote above it implies that using two h1 tags is appropriate. Whether it is recommended is up to the developer.

More importantly the overall impact of this on your organic SERP ranking is another issue and not something I really feel qualified to answer. I am not a professional SEO (my background s in design) though now that I am partnered with one of my design clients and have a vested interest in the success and marketing of that company I have been studying everything I can (which is what led me to this and many other sites).

What I do know is that googlebot understands the semantic structure of a site and that it treats header tags (h1, h2, h3 etc...), anchor tags, and bold/italic elements as important. How important in relation to each other is unclear. But this is why if you were to look at the source code for some sites you would see many more h1's and h2's, links, and bold text that might be appropriate for a legitimate presentation.

In my experience if you structure your page in a smart, consistent, and legitimate manner, googlebot will index those pages well, assuming there is useful content to index (and the more unique the better). However, I have also learned that the googlebot algorithm seems to be capable of manipulation by those people building spam sites, link farms, and other less useful content despite googles efforts to prevent this.

You have legitimate content and what seems like a good business idea and I have no doubt that as you grow your presence, even if you left things as they were you would be showing good rankings. Keep growing and presenting legitimate content (and get useful relevant resources to link to you). That is more important than argument over semantics.

As for "deeper" content, that just comes with time and perserverance. Rushing it tends to result in weak or spammy content.

You've got a good thing and wish you the best of luck. Definitely install firefox (and possibly safari). You want to check your sites in as many browsers as you can. Often there are simple fixes for things like the bullet problem you were having. I would have to look at your site again, but I believe that firefox and IE render list styles differently, and where you are indicating list-style: none on either the ul or the li needs to also be applied to the other (off the top of my head, but I can't remember that exact issue right now). But as you will soon discover, web development is only a pain in the ass because not all browsers are created equal.

I hope you are finding your day well.

everything seems great now! .. good job and good luck!

02-20-2008, 08:22 PM	#1
LastRezort Smurf Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 30	Up for Review? Well it’s my turn I guess... I have made comments about your website(s) its only fair you get to do the same about the ones I have 'sorta' designed. Bushnell Engineering, Inc. Vapor Fuel Technologies LLC http://greenfueltech.blogspot.com/ They are all formed from a template as I am still new to web design. I did add the popout menu to the Bushnell one, that was fun. Trying to decide if I want to leave the flash menu behind on the VFT site for optimization purposes. But yea like I said I am a noob to this world so let me know what you think don’t worry I have thick skin so I wont come back and yell at you for picking on me its far better than the first website I ever built and I wouldn’t even post it for fear of being laughed out of the community. The blog is just a blogspot template nothing special but an interesting read! __________________ www bushnell-eng com ~ Bushnell Engineering Inc. A Product Design Company www vftllc com ~ Vapor Fuel Technologies LLC Increasing Fuel Economy of Gasoline Engines.

02-23-2008, 11:46 AM	#2
Virtual-City Smurf Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Up for Review? lastRezort... how r u doing? sorry for taking solong reply... now its my turn to review ur site ....lol well the 1st site looks fine to me u havent really done anything special in it its just a tamplete the 1st wont open!! mb something with hosting i like the third site really ... the colors looks great ... and tamplate is simple im not really an expert but i tried to review good work bro try to improve more and try to do something u designed from zero good luck __________________ Love Starts With Smile, Grows With a Kiss and End With Tears!!!!!!! http://www.FreeVirtualCity.com/

02-24-2008, 02:29 AM	#3
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02-24-2008, 05:04 AM	#4
webcosmo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cambridge,MA,USA Posts: 243	Re: Up for Review? I wouldn't review 2nd and third. First one is ok. You need some polishing. Use css for fonts, make them little smaller; 12 pixel is a good size. Logo blurred. Site structure very nice. Good luck. __________________ Webmaster Forums Where We Help Each Other - WebCosmoForums.com WEBMASTER FORUMS - JOIN THE FUN FORUM Free Classified Ads

02-24-2008, 07:03 PM	#5
LastRezort Smurf Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 30	Re: Up for Review? Thanks guys .. very helpful comments .. sorry about site 2 for whatever reason its been down most of the weekend it looks like. Hopefully its back up soon. Thanks again .. I am hoping to start creating something of my own design soon ... These we definately learning experiences ... well everyone have a good one!

02-25-2008, 01:11 PM	#6
estranged911 Smurf Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 11	Re: Up for Review? Loads very fast.. nice subtled colors.. Good job.

02-25-2008, 04:22 PM	#7
jperezmt Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 97	Re: Up for Review? The first one looks nice. Very simple, logo is a bit blurry though as stated by hasan. I would get rid of the flash though and add some html content. It looks empty with just a welcome and then a flash block in the middle. Plus flash sucks in many ways, I won't get into that. But good start. __________________ Build Your Web Presence

02-28-2008, 08:07 PM	#8
amritrr Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 143	Re: Up for Review? I like the first site but the menu font could be made a little smaller.. __________________ Thanks for reading the signature rules! web hosting \| web designer

02-29-2008, 12:05 AM	#9
traderzoe Smurf Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 24	Re: Up for Review? Bushnell site: * Nice colors * Easy to navigate * Does not give an immediate template feel * Decent content Nice overview of everything. I don't know how marketing works in the product design industry, but I might consider also adding some "deeper" pages that expand on the various concepts and services you offer. Maybe add some in-depth case studies (extending on the portfolio) for your most impacting client results and a single page "overview" of every service you list on the services page. * A variety of spacing differences in Firefox * Menu bullets are showing in Firefox (not in IE which I assume is what you are using/designed for) * Flash is not loading in Firefox * header tags (h1, h2, h5) are not styling tools (semantically speaking). The quote on every page, "Providing leading edge design in a diverse range of fields." is listed as an h5 immediately following an h1. First I would consider changing that quote on every page to reflect the specific content of that page Second if you are going to bother defying the semantic web for SEO or other reasons, use the next logical tag, in this case make an h2 and use it's containing "introduction" div to make it "look" like you want it to look. Using header tags simply to get the right size is not good form, neither for the semantic web or SEO without intention. * On the same note: Similarly the h1 is on the section of the website, not on the actual page content title. I would either opt to use two h1's (controversial) or move the h1 to the actual page content header/title and in turn make the subsection there-in there appropriate step down (changing all the h3's to h2's) and make the section header a styled p. Either way I would make sure that the page header is an h1 and all page-subsections are appropriately h2 and so on. Personally I would lean towards using two h1's, as I've pointed out before, to me, the masthead/layout of a site are really there own section, and the specific page content is another, making two h1's a necessity. I base this logic on turning off all styles and determining how I would want that content "sectioned" off so that the visitor knows exactly what they are looking at. But a very nice site that conveys useful information about your company. Vapor fuel site: * Like the Bushnell site, the content is there as a nice overview. Again not knowing typical marketing in this industry it is unclear if you are covering everything you should to optimize interest. And while we all struggle with the magical landing page that says it all in one sentence and a useful graphic with a call to action, you could do more with the home page. * This site looks like a template * While I appreciate the goal of the color scheme attempting to give a sense of vapor, I would be more inclined to call it vaporous. * Pastel blues and greens do not fit with the more vibrant sky blues * Subtle Spacing/layout differences between Firefox and IE. This is a very interesting site conceptually and content-wise. I actually want to know more about what you are talking about, but it is not there on the site. While the "template" layout and colors are a turn-off I am curious enough about what you are doing to want to do some quick research of my own to learn more. I am probably not the only one. Consider creating informational articles giving background to your industry and the technologies you are creating/working with. Your Green Fuel blog is a nice idea and could answer this need to a certain degree, but I think some well thought out white papers or industry specific articles would be a nice touch and keep me on the site longer. Green fuel blog site: * Obviously this is a new blog and once it has more useful posts might be an interesting read to those who * While there is nothing wrong with the template, it is quite nice to look at actually, it does not FEEL like a Green FUEL TECHNOLOGY NEWS site. It does feel green and environmental, but not for the segment of the population I assume this blog would be targeting. * TYPO in header: Technolgy s/b Technology It is good that you are getting a jump on exposing yourself and creating informational content though. Take it seriously and hopefully it will be a truly useful resource that also begins to attract attention to your primary businesses. If you would look more exposure, our new site has a Green Business community Green Business community where posts and thoughts related to your existing blog would be encouraged and welcome. -------------------------------------------------- I agree with most of the comments that have already been posted here, though I had no connectivity problems. I would say that for being a self-proclaimed "newbie" to web design, even implementing those templates and getting nicely formatted content online is quite a success and should be applauded. We are all learning everyday, and even advice I dole out from time to time isn't always heeded by myself. There is just too much to do sometimes. But it helps reviewing other peoples work in that it forces you to re-examine your own work and see better where you should improve and focus. And like any advice I give, these are just my opinions, and despite nearly 10 years of design experience and working with the internet, I'm not sure I would not consider myself an authority. That just gets you into trouble! __________________ http://cotradeco.com/ Network, meet people, & swap stories stories and news at the community lodge or do some shopping at the trading post. Last edited 02-29-2008 at 12:07 AM. Reason: Realized I couldn't add "live" links which made a sentence not make any sense!

03-04-2008, 05:05 PM	#10
LastRezort Smurf Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 30	Re: Up for Review? Traderzoe that was a very detailed and helpful review and I appreciate the amount of time and effort that was put fourth for such a review as well as the rest of you. Thank you all very much. I definitely have my work cut out for me. Bushnell site It looks as though I have some research I need to do as far as making a website compatible with both IE and FireFox. I do not even have FireFox installed on my computer (need to do soon). As far as SEO semantics thanks for the quick lesson. I am very curious about the point you brought up ... using two h1 tags ... do robots actually distinguish the difference between an introduction section having an h1 tag and a main section having an h1 tag? If so are there specific titles to these sections for them to actually recognize the different sections? And to make sure I completely comprehend, for instance the 'about Bushnell' page code: now div - introduction h1 h5 div - main h3 possible change div - introduction h1 h2 or p-style div - main h1 - page content h2 - subsections This is what I believe you are ultimately proposing correct? As far as the robots and SEO I thought they would only see them as repeats not actually different sections. But I do agree the 'now' is wrong either way and I am sure your suggestion wouldn't do any harm. The 'deeper' content we are working on especially for the services side. Vapor Fuel site "This site looks like a template" - ouch, but very true and I am going to be working very hard on correcting that. The color scheme - I didn’t want to go with something to dark but maybe pastel isn’t the right choice either. Maybe something a bit more vibrant for the menu bar and go to a white for the content so its not too much color. Again need to do some research on designing sites for use w/Firefox. I am glad you enjoyed the overall content of the website. If you find yourself with time please feel free to email us some of those questions you felt the need to research further or any that are unanswered as we are more than happy to answer them. We have a wealth of information but we have been working on this project for some time and tend accidentally leave information out because it becomes a known around here. Blog Fixed the typo... Thanks! We should probably consider dropping the 'news' since it is not so much news as it is informative and it would probably appeal to a larger audience. I appreciate your offer to your new site and will be taking you up on that since I have even less knowledge about the blog world I need all the help I can get. Again any further questions or comments about either content or website do not hesitate to contact us using the contact information on any of the sites. Thanks again to everyone and I will do my best to get these suggestions implemented.

03-06-2008, 05:03 AM	#11
enous Wish you were here! Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 101	Re: Up for Review? Good post and thx for sharing

03-19-2008, 07:04 AM	#12
skyline1 Smurf Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 11	Re: Up for Review? Super Awesome Great! Weldone __________________ PLEASE VISIT MY HOME http://www.7BUA.COM http://www.4TEENTV.COM

03-19-2008, 08:43 PM	#13
traderzoe Smurf Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 24	Re: Up for Review? Glad you were able to get something useful from my post LastRezort. Regarding the h1 and document structure: Searching on this topic reveals very different attitudes regarding whether or not two h1 tags are appropriate or useful. Often it depends if you are talking to a purist developer or a marketing/SEO person. To be clear, the h1 tag is intended as a major section header demarcating one clear topic which have many different subtopics. Therefore the purist (and certain copywriters) would argue that if you have two major topics on one page of your website you are simply doing something wrong to start with. However, to my mind, the masthead/navigation (i.e. the common layout elements of a webpage) are by definition not part of the actual content and therefore a wholly separate conceptual element of the page. Therefore SHOULD be demarcated as such. Thus your suggested structural change makes sense to me. You are telling browsers and other content readers where the useful information on the page starts and stops. The w3 standard has this to say: "A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically.....Some people consider skipping heading levels to be bad practice. They accept H1 H2 H1 while they do not accept H1 H3 H1 since the heading level H2 is skipped." Thus based on this I feel as though I am vindicated and safe in my logic. But is my logic sound in the first place remains to be seen. From that quote above it implies that using two h1 tags is appropriate. Whether it is recommended is up to the developer. More importantly the overall impact of this on your organic SERP ranking is another issue and not something I really feel qualified to answer. I am not a professional SEO (my background s in design) though now that I am partnered with one of my design clients and have a vested interest in the success and marketing of that company I have been studying everything I can (which is what led me to this and many other sites). What I do know is that googlebot understands the semantic structure of a site and that it treats header tags (h1, h2, h3 etc...), anchor tags, and bold/italic elements as important. How important in relation to each other is unclear. But this is why if you were to look at the source code for some sites you would see many more h1's and h2's, links, and bold text that might be appropriate for a legitimate presentation. In my experience if you structure your page in a smart, consistent, and legitimate manner, googlebot will index those pages well, assuming there is useful content to index (and the more unique the better). However, I have also learned that the googlebot algorithm seems to be capable of manipulation by those people building spam sites, link farms, and other less useful content despite googles efforts to prevent this. You have legitimate content and what seems like a good business idea and I have no doubt that as you grow your presence, even if you left things as they were you would be showing good rankings. Keep growing and presenting legitimate content (and get useful relevant resources to link to you). That is more important than argument over semantics. As for "deeper" content, that just comes with time and perserverance. Rushing it tends to result in weak or spammy content. You've got a good thing and wish you the best of luck. Definitely install firefox (and possibly safari). You want to check your sites in as many browsers as you can. Often there are simple fixes for things like the bullet problem you were having. I would have to look at your site again, but I believe that firefox and IE render list styles differently, and where you are indicating list-style: none on either the ul or the li needs to also be applied to the other (off the top of my head, but I can't remember that exact issue right now). But as you will soon discover, web development is only a pain in the ass because not all browsers are created equal. I hope you are finding your day well. __________________ http://cotradeco.com/ Network, meet people, & swap stories stories and news at the community lodge or do some shopping at the trading post.

03-20-2008, 04:01 AM	#14
Gloria1 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 105	Re: Up for Review? great! I like the layout!

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