Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site?

OldWelshGuy · 09-05-2007, 08:18 AM

Yes there is.

When the web was a baby (well before the web really when there was just the internet), people would link in context from within their text (contextual linking). They would link TO the most appropriate page FROM the most appropriate page. If you do this and even if you reciprocate, it is better than a crap one way link from a links page.

I could go into more detail but don't have the time at the moment.

Richard Joseph · 09-05-2007, 12:52 PM

hmm u know i did know this but it was filed way back in my memory lol

thanks for helping me remember

OldWelshGuy · 09-05-2007, 01:24 PM

Richard, the problem with a LOT of forum posting is that it is repeated Verbatim without understanding.

Someone (me for example) might make a post that says along the lines of. If you want to climb the rankings then I suggest you carry out a seasrch to find important sites that rank for that phrase, but are not competing for the same marketplace. Often times you share a common user demographic but compliment rather than compete. With this kind of site you can create a symbiotic relationship, wherby you send traffic between each others sites.

A clear example would be a site selling wedding dresses. They might have photgraphs of wedding dresses on the site, and they might well link to the photographers wedding photography page. He might have the same images on his site and link to the dress suppliers dress page. Now if the photographer uses the text <company name> wedding dresses in <location> , and the dressmaker uses <company name > photographers in <location>, then they are both getting HUGE boosts to their rankings EVEN THOUGH they are reciprocating. The reason being they are BOTH on topic within the context of the contetn of the individual sites, and the text on both pages will share sematic relationships.

The person who reads that is a lazy bum who isn't interested in learning SEO they just want the quick fix so they read :~ email and get links from other sites! And THAT is how this crap reciprocal linking craze was born

mikeleee · 09-05-2007, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagi Zoltán

Linda, about a year ago i also participated in link exchanges and hardly had any positive effect on my rankings. I placed the links to well structured pages, while my links were placed to linkfarms. If a page contains more than hundred irrelevant link at a single given page it will hardly pass forward any relevance or pagerank, so i gave it up. I suggest you to rather participate in forums like iWebtool, since you may find here relevant link exchange possibilities, which will really help to achieve better rankings.

Good info

Richard Joseph · 09-06-2007, 03:23 AM

thanks again

I knew some of that but u really did make it more clear

neurophyre · 09-06-2007, 11:10 AM

Tell me, "Linda," does wiki spamming count as backlinks?

The person or people who own sharewaredown.com are huge wiki spammers. Google the phrase roclin sharewaredown to see what I mean. They insert garbage into every wiki they can get their hands on with tons of links to sharewaredown.com. I had to (gladly) add that domain to the spam blacklist on a fairly high-traffic wiki I run.

No welcome to you, "Linda." I hope your company fails miserably.

OldWelshGuy · 09-06-2007, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neurophyre

Tell me, "Linda," does wiki spamming count as backlinks?

The person or people who own sharewaredown.com are huge wiki spammers. Google the phrase roclin sharewaredown to see what I mean. They insert garbage into every wiki they can get their hands on with tons of links to sharewaredown.com. I had to (gladly) add that domain to the spam blacklist on a fairly high-traffic wiki I run.

No welcome to you, "Linda." I hope your company fails miserably.

Who is "Linda" ?

Bagi Zoltán · 09-06-2007, 12:01 PM

Linda suppose to be the real name of the person who started this thread using meizhenhe as nick name.

mit · 09-06-2007, 12:08 PM

Relevant link exchanges will definetly help in rankings and making a good Google PageRank.

Make a link page and have only relevant and quality link exchanges. It still help.

Richard Joseph · 09-08-2007, 05:18 AM

Any and all links are benificial in some way, unless there from an automated link dir or link farm as google and most other SE's no that there not natural links, meaning they know that your trying to cheat by instently having hundreds or thousands of links intently.

as for link pages and or reciprical links, iv read many articles pertaining to the use of code snippets or java scripts to auto create links - actially my own rec link script will detect the use of java scripts to desplay link or links pages and disillows the link untill its done properly..

Theres alot of Auto link directories out on the net today such as Telelinks and
build-reciprocal-links.com that do just that.

They ask u to add a little code snippit or to download a php file with it within and it will magicly display a well orginized links page lol..

- im asuming that google knows of this as most of the biggest auto link sites such as the ones above use this method. - i can almost bet that any link script or pages that sites such as mine "if they were to use java " would probly be considerd spam such as link farms ??? mine doesnt but i have come across many link page scripts that display links in that fashon...

theres also allot of sites such as http://www.linkmarket.net/
there there not AUTO link dirs and they CLAIM LOL to be better then auto link dirs since there not auto posting ur links and there tecnicly rec link exchanges just with a big list.. the prob is u need to allow the links which are also done in the same manner .. using java..

this being said, not only are link farms and auto link sites dangerious - so are all sites that claim to be reciprical link echange dirs not auto link exchanges

ALso be carefull if u use a link or directory script as some do use java or php scripts to display links

to be 100% sure its correct eather do it the old fashon way - HTML

or make sure your scripts create STATIC HTML pages with no code

not many link checking scripts detect java or php displayed links

OldWelshGuy · 09-08-2007, 08:22 AM

The CLASSIC (how google interpret it) definition of a link farm is where some code goes on your page, and a list of links appears, same that across many other sites. This list is mirrored across many sites, and whenever someone adds THEIR link to the list (ie installs the code on a page they own), they appear across the network. THAT is how google define a link farm. simply because you plant one link and it gets farmed out across the network and grows with every planting.

Many people refer to directories as being 'link farms' when they are not. a directory that accepts all and every link submitted is what Google refer to as a free for all page. (free for all or FFA links page).

Google are getting better at ripping out un natural linking, but Yahoo is the daddy at that. Yahoo is also FAR more harsh than google as it will remove ALL the sites involved.

Google simply devalues the links, although it is possible to harm a competitor by using bad links. not at ALL easy and it takes a bit of knowledge, but you can bowl a competitors site.

megamomm · 09-18-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Joseph

theres also allot of sites such as http://www.linkmarket.net/
there there not AUTO link dirs and they CLAIM LOL to be better then auto link dirs since there not auto posting ur links and there tecnicly rec link exchanges just with a big list.. the prob is u need to allow the links which are also done in the same manner .. using java..

I've used http://www.linkmarket.net and I just got requests/made requests to sites like my own (one at a time, no big block of URLs) using their messaging system and then plugged the sites I made trades with into my website manually. You do not need to use their "Link Directory Management Service".

mit · 09-18-2007, 12:40 PM

Only relevant link exchanging improves your rankings and google PR.

The basic thing in search engine rankings for any websites is the relevancy in all apects - domain name, content, outgoing links, incoming links and product.

best of luck.

pdfmania · 09-18-2007, 04:27 PM

If I have my link put on every pages of a site, then is this a good one or bad one? (it's oneway link)

Richard Joseph · 09-18-2007, 09:11 PM

well it depends lol

All links are great - as long as there a quality site and not allready clasified by google as junk

Also higher PR of the pages the better and if the pages have relative content to your site it would be better

09-05-2007, 08:18 AM	#16
OldWelshGuy iWEBTOOL SEO Advisor Contributor Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 675	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? Yes there is. When the web was a baby (well before the web really when there was just the internet), people would link in context from within their text (contextual linking). They would link TO the most appropriate page FROM the most appropriate page. If you do this and even if you reciprocate, it is better than a crap one way link from a links page. I could go into more detail but don't have the time at the moment. __________________ Umbrella Consultancy Internet Marketing Company - Rugby Forum - Google Expert Blog

09-05-2007, 12:52 PM	#17
Richard Joseph IWT Moderator Bum Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 337	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? hmm u know i did know this but it was filed way back in my memory lol thanks for helping me remember __________________ Please, apply the signature policy Best cpanel Host Vancouver Storage Containers

09-05-2007, 01:24 PM	#18
OldWelshGuy iWEBTOOL SEO Advisor Contributor Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 675	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? Richard, the problem with a LOT of forum posting is that it is repeated Verbatim without understanding. Someone (me for example) might make a post that says along the lines of. If you want to climb the rankings then I suggest you carry out a seasrch to find important sites that rank for that phrase, but are not competing for the same marketplace. Often times you share a common user demographic but compliment rather than compete. With this kind of site you can create a symbiotic relationship, wherby you send traffic between each others sites. A clear example would be a site selling wedding dresses. They might have photgraphs of wedding dresses on the site, and they might well link to the photographers wedding photography page. He might have the same images on his site and link to the dress suppliers dress page. Now if the photographer uses the text <company name> wedding dresses in <location> , and the dressmaker uses <company name > photographers in <location>, then they are both getting HUGE boosts to their rankings EVEN THOUGH they are reciprocating. The reason being they are BOTH on topic within the context of the contetn of the individual sites, and the text on both pages will share sematic relationships. The person who reads that is a lazy bum who isn't interested in learning SEO they just want the quick fix so they read :~ email and get links from other sites! And THAT is how this crap reciprocal linking craze was born __________________ Umbrella Consultancy Internet Marketing Company - Rugby Forum - Google Expert Blog

09-06-2007, 03:23 AM	#20
Richard Joseph IWT Moderator Bum Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 337	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? thanks again I knew some of that but u really did make it more clear __________________ Please, apply the signature policy Best cpanel Host Vancouver Storage Containers

09-06-2007, 11:10 AM	#21
neurophyre Newcomer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? Tell me, "Linda," does wiki spamming count as backlinks? The person or people who own sharewaredown.com are huge wiki spammers. Google the phrase roclin sharewaredown to see what I mean. They insert garbage into every wiki they can get their hands on with tons of links to sharewaredown.com. I had to (gladly) add that domain to the spam blacklist on a fairly high-traffic wiki I run. No welcome to you, "Linda." I hope your company fails miserably.

09-06-2007, 12:01 PM	#23
Bagi Zoltán iWEBTOOL Moderator Contributor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,844	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? Linda suppose to be the real name of the person who started this thread using meizhenhe as nick name. __________________ █ Time may come when you will need an excellent eCommerce shopping cart software █ free seo related web directory online marketing Free shopping cart

09-06-2007, 12:08 PM	#24
mit Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: India Posts: 422	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? Relevant link exchanges will definetly help in rankings and making a good Google PageRank. Make a link page and have only relevant and quality link exchanges. It still help. __________________ Search engine optimization company Offshore software development Raksha Bandhan

09-08-2007, 05:18 AM	#25
Richard Joseph IWT Moderator Bum Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 337	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? Any and all links are benificial in some way, unless there from an automated link dir or link farm as google and most other SE's no that there not natural links, meaning they know that your trying to cheat by instently having hundreds or thousands of links intently. as for link pages and or reciprical links, iv read many articles pertaining to the use of code snippets or java scripts to auto create links - actially my own rec link script will detect the use of java scripts to desplay link or links pages and disillows the link untill its done properly.. Theres alot of Auto link directories out on the net today such as Telelinks and build-reciprocal-links.com that do just that. They ask u to add a little code snippit or to download a php file with it within and it will magicly display a well orginized links page lol.. - im asuming that google knows of this as most of the biggest auto link sites such as the ones above use this method. - i can almost bet that any link script or pages that sites such as mine "if they were to use java " would probly be considerd spam such as link farms ??? mine doesnt but i have come across many link page scripts that display links in that fashon... theres also allot of sites such as http://www.linkmarket.net/ there there not AUTO link dirs and they CLAIM LOL to be better then auto link dirs since there not auto posting ur links and there tecnicly rec link exchanges just with a big list.. the prob is u need to allow the links which are also done in the same manner .. using java.. this being said, not only are link farms and auto link sites dangerious - so are all sites that claim to be reciprical link echange dirs not auto link exchanges ALso be carefull if u use a link or directory script as some do use java or php scripts to display links to be 100% sure its correct eather do it the old fashon way - HTML or make sure your scripts create STATIC HTML pages with no code not many link checking scripts detect java or php displayed links __________________ Please, apply the signature policy Best cpanel Host Vancouver Storage Containers

09-08-2007, 08:22 AM	#26
OldWelshGuy iWEBTOOL SEO Advisor Contributor Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 675	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? The CLASSIC (how google interpret it) definition of a link farm is where some code goes on your page, and a list of links appears, same that across many other sites. This list is mirrored across many sites, and whenever someone adds THEIR link to the list (ie installs the code on a page they own), they appear across the network. THAT is how google define a link farm. simply because you plant one link and it gets farmed out across the network and grows with every planting. Many people refer to directories as being 'link farms' when they are not. a directory that accepts all and every link submitted is what Google refer to as a free for all page. (free for all or FFA links page). Google are getting better at ripping out un natural linking, but Yahoo is the daddy at that. Yahoo is also FAR more harsh than google as it will remove ALL the sites involved. Google simply devalues the links, although it is possible to harm a competitor by using bad links. not at ALL easy and it takes a bit of knowledge, but you can bowl a competitors site. __________________ Umbrella Consultancy Internet Marketing Company - Rugby Forum - Google Expert Blog

09-18-2007, 12:40 PM	#28
mit Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: India Posts: 422	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? Only relevant link exchanging improves your rankings and google PR. The basic thing in search engine rankings for any websites is the relevancy in all apects - domain name, content, outgoing links, incoming links and product. best of luck. __________________ Search engine optimization company Offshore software development Raksha Bandhan

09-18-2007, 04:27 PM	#29
pdfmania Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 91	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? If I have my link put on every pages of a site, then is this a good one or bad one? (it's oneway link) __________________ USA Online Job finder

09-18-2007, 09:11 PM	#30
Richard Joseph IWT Moderator Bum Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 337	Re: Is that kind of backlinks a bonus for my site? well it depends lol All links are great - as long as there a quality site and not allready clasified by google as junk Also higher PR of the pages the better and if the pages have relative content to your site it would be better __________________ Please, apply the signature policy Best cpanel Host Vancouver Storage Containers

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