Labrocca

WelshGuy...what makes you an expert?

And prove to me that PageRank means nothing in comparison to SERP rankings as you say.

And lastly...if PR is meaningless then why does Google keep it around? They must be placing an awful lot of money into server requests and recounting PR every few months for nothing. In your opinion, and that's exactly all it is, what is the purpose of PR?

btw....from Googles own site which directly counters your opinion.

http://www.google.com/technology/

OldWelshGuy

Hi Labrocca, it looks like I have annoyed or offended you somehow, if this is the case then I apologise. I will try to answer your questions calmly though

1. What makes you an expert?
I have not said that I AM an expert, but I DO have a heck of a lot on experience in SEO sales and marketing. I have been around as an SEO long before Google came along, and have watched Google grow into what it is. I have hung out with top SEO's the world over, and been close to the action from day 1. I have client sites that rank in the sex, mortgage industries, and have Consulted to top international companies like Norwich union in the UK and the biggest digital imaging company in the world (who I can't really name openly as I signed an NDA). Expert? NOPE, very capable? YES!

2. And prove to me that PageRank means nothing in comparison to SERP rankings as you say.

I never said PR means NOTHING in comparison, so I am not sure why you are asking me to explain something I didn't say, YOU might have read what I said as that, but what I actually said was.
And it doesn't, you want proof? here is a quick indication.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sea...L_enGB220GB220
a search for the phrase search engine returns wikipedia (not a search engine) at the top PR7 with Dogpile (a meta search engine) second PR8, Google and yahoo on the other hand are nowhere to be seen despite them being search engines and PR10. You can repeat this time and time again. PR is a TINY factor in the RANKING algorithm it is hardly important. PR is a by product of links, rather than the main driving force, RELEVANCE is the main driving force with Pr playing a minuscule part in it.

3.And lastly...if PR is meaningless then why does Google keep it around? They must be placing an awful lot of money into server requests and recounting PR every few months for nothing. In your opinion, and that's exactly all it is, what is the purpose of PR?

of course it is my opinion, who said it was anything else? YOU say Again you are putting words in my mouth by asking me to explain something I NEVER said! I am not sure where this hostility is coming from or why you are indicating I stated things I didn't. I will however give you my opinion

PageRank IS NOT UNIMPORTANT! There you go, is that a bold enough straight enough statement for you? In the context of RANKING Pr is a minute part, but PR as a whole is VERY important as it in itself gauges the importance of a page relative to the web. The original patent programme for Google was called backrub. It was based on the social networking side of the web whereby academics and medics would post papers online and cite each others works. Backrub still today forms the backbone of the Google algorithm. PR in itself for this purpose though has given way more and more to relevance factors including semantic relevance.

So to answer your question why do Google keep it (PR) around as,
Firstly Google do NOT recount it every few months, PR is updated CONSTANTLY via everflux, Google moved to everflux around about 2 years ago. There are two types of PR, rear facing (available only to Google engineers, and forward facing (the toolbar). It is the toolbar that is exported every couple of months, and for the life of me (and most of the top SEO's) I don't know why they do it! It is out of date and inaccurate but they have created a monster and have to live with it. Toolbar Pr though IS MEANINGLESS in all respects as it is constantly out of date (normally at least 6 weeks - 3 months out of date before it is exported) Rear facing PR however is a different animal entirely.

OK so why do they keep it around?

PR plays a MAJOR part, in fact the ONLY part in gauging the IMPORTANCE of a page, Google CURRENTL (things on the horizon will change this), have NO other way of working out the importance of a page other than where that page fits into the social network of the web.
It is PR that decides whether a page is valuable enough to sit in the main or supplementary index, it is also PR that decides which page to show and which to remove from the serps in the case of duplicate content. PR IS important for many things just not for pure rankings that's all.

Finally in reply to Sorry but that does not 'directly counter' my opinion it is the same as my opinion as my opinion is based on stuff like that page, reading and understanding the many white papers that are released by the Google team, by Standford university etc and also from my experience and tests.

Once again I am sorry if I have somehow offended you I am not sure what I might have done (unless you are a mate of Edmund who I have been critical of). But please don't let your dislike of me cloud what I am saying because it appears to me that this is what is happening as you have in your post, more than once asked me to explain what you THINK I said, rather than what i ACTUALLY said, and that is not doing anyone any favours least of all you and I

ALL I want to achieve by participating in forums is to help others benefit from my experience, and to benefit from the experience of others.

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Bagi Zoltán

Well, i think if someone who helps so much for the members as he does, that person can calmly named an expert. Everyone who knows OWG fully aware that he is a seo expert and i think nothing reflects this more, than the qualitity of his responses and the willingness to help the others.
This whole community is very gratefull for his participation, and personally i can also thank him a lot. So thank you for the question

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Get high PR backlinks to your site, and MAGIC! done lol

higher PR backlinks means your site higher PR, but no ranking in SERPS benefit

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Meti

Haven't had the pleasure to talk with OWG, however it surely sounds like he is very, very experienced which makes him a expert in my opinion.

Will surely, ask SEO matters here at IWT, I hope I can get some proffesional advice OWG


Thanks,
Meti

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Buiuld quality backlinks and your PR will go up

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OldWelshGuy

So define that word 'quality' in your statement, tell others what a quality backlink is that will increase the PR of a page

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trichnosis

Get quality backlinks for your site.

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usearchme

Hi there

I will say it again

1) get a green marker and colour ur google toolbar with as much pr ranking as you like !!!!

Oldwelshguys speaks a lot of sense, you should take note of his advice people have a very unhealthy obsession with pr on this forum lol, pr is not a rating to how successful your site is !

Woc

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maher

There are several factors that can affect your page ranking, such as:

-Back links
-Quality of the back links
-Meta Data
-Content
-Uniquness & Quality of the content
-Competition

..there are so many things you need to work on and optimize in order to acheive higher PR.

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OldWelshGuy

HI Maher,

it looks like you are confusing PageRank (The google patented measure of a page) wuith where a page ranks in the SERP's (Search Engine Results pages.)

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Erik147

Higher PR makes it much easier do do good link exchanges so for most of us PR is important. One free way to get high PR links is to join www. relmaxtop. com . You put their small banner on your homepage and you will get multiple good inlinks from their toplist. I got 1 PR5 link and multiple PR3 links for my sites when I had PR 0. Thats enogh for PR 3 in the next update. After the PR update You can always take the banner away if you like to.