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Old 08-02-2007, 06:10 PM   #16
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Default Re: Something wrong with Iwebtool's Pagerank Prediction tool?

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From the page:It's called a 'tool' and the tool is not working. It would help if you would test it first. It has not been working for some days.

It has been tested, you should do research first. It has been working, if you read my post, someone with very little education and knowledge could see the answer within my post. In that case I won't explain again, you can find out for yourself.


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Check *any* domain twice and it will come up with 0's, even google.com, microsoft.com and yahoo.com

Again, I have explained the 'Cannot Determine' appears either;
  1. Don't have enough backlinks
  2. Google is updating its backlinks or PR

So I guess if it isn't working for Google or Yahoo! then....work it out there are only 2 options. Guessed yet?


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This was the issue of the OP, but the tool is broken now.

OK, I guess since you know that everything is broken, even though I assure you it isn't, you must be correct because you probably get all the inside information and all. If it's broken (which I have told you it isn't)...FIX IT!!!


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I beg your pardon? PR is a mayor factor in Googles algorytm. PR does not justify itself, but is indirectly one of the key elements in Googles search engine. http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

Yes, a major factor in Google's eyes. And any webmaster with general sense about PR knows PR doesn't really have value on a domain unless PR6+ generally. Getting PR is easy. Would you like a PR4 website with 100 uniques a month, or a PR0 with 1,000,000 uniques a month? Again, work out what I am saying for yourself.

PR is like an Alexa Ranking - no good unless you are ranking high! Am I right?


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I'm sure this tool is one of the most popular pages on this site. Can anyone else from staff confirm that they are aware of the situation the tool is currently at?

Trust me, I am an administrator here, I don't just make things up. The status of the tool is exactly what I posted above...otherwise I wouldn't bother writing it would I?

Did you like the tone of my post...well...I didn't like yours. Why don't you try to acknowledge next time that I don't get paid to help around iWEBTOOL, and it takes up my spare time, I do this out of my generosity and the thought that I was in a 'newbie' situation once. Think about your attitude next time please, you genuinly offended me - and it doesn't happen all the time.



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Old 08-02-2007, 08:51 PM   #17
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Default Re: Something wrong with Iwebtool's Pagerank Prediction tool?

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It has been working, if you read my post, someone with very little education and knowledge could see the answer within my post. In that case I won't explain again, you can find out for yourself.
Nice putting my 'education and knowledge' in question..
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Again, I have explained the 'Cannot Determine' appears either;
  1. Don't have enough backlinks
  2. Google is updating its backlinks or PR

So I guess if it isn't working for Google or Yahoo! then....work it out there are only 2 options. Guessed yet?
Excellent explanation Taylor, but.. I think we talk around each other...

Try checking a domain that you've never checked before, then check it again. First time you get a prediction, the second time the tool breaks. I can upload a screenshot if you want. This issue is not related to the message ''Cannot Determine''. Does that make more sense?


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OK, I guess since you know that everything is broken, even though I assure you it isn't, you must be correct because you probably get all the inside information and all. If it's broken (which I have told you it isn't)...FIX IT!!!
I'm still convinced it's broken, but I don't have monopoly on the truth, so I'm open to any explanation why the described behavior is correct.



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Yes, a major factor in Google's eyes. And any webmaster with general sense about PR knows PR doesn't really have value on a domain unless PR6+ generally. Getting PR is easy. Would you like a PR4 website with 100 uniques a month, or a PR0 with 1,000,000 uniques a month? Again, work out what I am saying for yourself.

PR is like an Alexa Ranking - no good unless you are ranking high! Am I right?
I'm simply stating that PR is a major factor in Google algo, you said 'PR is not worth anything anyway'. I've been doing this for a loong time and simply reacted on the blunt statement. (and I think you're dead wrong about comparing PR to Alexa, but that's completely OT)


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Trust me, I am an administrator here, I don't just make things up. The status of the tool is exactly what I posted above...otherwise I wouldn't bother writing it would I?
I wouldn't know. Are you involved with the maintenance of the website outside being a forum administrator? As you can see I'm a new member here and simply assumed that 'forum administrator' meant just that.

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Did you like the tone of my post...well...I didn't like yours.
I don't think your tone is over the line, but I might have a different forum background that you. No biggie.
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Why don't you try to acknowledge next time that I don't get paid to help around iWEBTOOL, and it takes up my spare time, I do this out of my generosity and the thought that I was in a 'newbie' situation once.
I fail to see the relevance to the prediction tool, but kudos absolutely. My posts have not been related to the forum. If you also maintain the tool, please look at the info I gave above about testing a new domain twice and you'll see what I mean. My ignorance to who's who around here is obvious, look at my postcount.
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Think about your attitude next time please, you genuinly offended me - and it doesn't happen all the time.
Hmm.. didn't really see anything wrong with it, but I hear you.
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Old 08-02-2007, 08:52 PM   #18
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Default Re: Something wrong with Iwebtool's Pagerank Prediction tool?

Who's maintaining the prediction tool anyways?
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Old 08-02-2007, 10:39 PM   #19
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Nice putting my 'education and knowledge' in question..

In question, I never did that. I simply said that some 'one' with so little education and knowledge could see what I meant.


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Excellent explanation Taylor, but.. I think we talk around each other...

Please call me 'Kieran'.


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Try checking a domain that you've never checked before, then check it again. First time you get a prediction, the second time the tool breaks. I can upload a screenshot if you want. This issue is not related to the message ''Cannot Determine''. Does that make more sense?

I have had this before, and I have given the same answer as you. I have tested it again for the likes of making you a much happier person...and it worked .



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I'm still convinced it's broken, but I don't have monopoly on the truth, so I'm open to any explanation why the described behavior is correct.

Well I gave you an explanation. And be convinced on your thoughts, it may well give me something to do when I'm bored.



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I'm simply stating that PR is a major factor in Google algo, you said 'PR is not worth anything anyway'. I've been doing this for a loong time and simply reacted on the blunt statement. (and I think you're dead wrong about comparing PR to Alexa, but that's completely OT)

I never compared PR to Alexa ranking, I simply used one example to explain the other, i.e. 'My Dad's car is as fast John's motorcycle', a car and a motorcycle are not the same thing, but they are indeed comparable in some aspect, and you can use one example to explain the other.



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I wouldn't know. Are you involved with the maintenance of the website outside being a forum administrator? As you can see I'm a new member here and simply assumed that 'forum administrator' meant just that.

Not directly, although I do get full information on everything that goes on, multiple persons run different parts of the website. I happen to be an administrator of here, and we have a 'Support' forum, so I do need information on things that are going on within the whole iWEBTOOL website...including information regarding the welfare of the web tools.



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I don't think your tone is over the line, but I might have a different forum background that you. No biggie.

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I fail to see the relevance to the prediction tool, but kudos absolutely. My posts have not been related to the forum. If you also maintain the tool, please look at the info I gave above about testing a new domain twice and you'll see what I mean. My ignorance to who's who around here is obvious, look at my postcount.

Well to put it in basic terms...I felt your response was very light hearted considering I went out of my way to answer your post, like I do with most people's, what my point was basically - if you don't like my answer at least appreciate it as I DON'T have to help - I simply CHOOSE to.

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Hmm.. didn't really see anything wrong with it, but I hear you.




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Old 08-03-2007, 08:57 AM   #20
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Default Re: Something wrong with Iwebtool's Pagerank Prediction tool?

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I have tested it again for the likes of making you a much happier person...and it worked .
Works for you, not for me.. Can you get the attention of the people maintaining the tool and let them know of this screenshot? It's possible they don't know of this. If they don't care or care about feedback on it I'll just crawl back to the little hole I appeared from.
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Google determites your pagerank by retrieving quality backlinks, this is the way Google judges a web sites pagerank.
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Default Re: Something wrong with Iwebtool's Pagerank Prediction tool?

I noticed that too!

It is constantly showing me insufficient backlinks!
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I think Google is upto something, the tool worked for me a few days ago, however at the moment it is only showing me insufficient backlinks..
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:38 PM   #24
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Works for you, not for me.. Can you get the attention of the people maintaining the tool and let them know of this screenshot? It's possible they don't know of this. If they don't care or care about feedback on it I'll just crawl back to the little hole I appeared from.

Use the contact us form. I am sick of telling you the same thing. You should know where the contact form is since you have an extensive background on forums.


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I noticed that too!

It is constantly showing me insufficient backlinks!
It shows insufficient backlinks even for google.com and yahoo.com, and it's been like that for a while now.. :sad: Hopefully one of the developers will see this thread.
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It might be related to the whole Pagerank update thing, it happened that last PR update the tool was acting just like it does now.

Check the Pagerank checker, it doesn't work at times either (at the moment) probably cause Google are going through all these updates etc.

At least, this is what I believe, don't think I am positive, just my opinion(s).


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It might be related to the whole Pagerank update thing, it happened that last PR update the tool was acting just like it does now.

Check the Pagerank checker, it doesn't work at times either (at the moment) probably cause Google are going through all these updates etc.

At least, this is what I believe, don't think I am positive, just my opinion(s).


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That's exactly the reason I have been trying to put across but no one seems to listen . I am now very fed up of explaining the same things over and over again to people, I am going to post an announcement about support in these forums...


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Default Re: Something wrong with Iwebtool's Pagerank Prediction tool?

I've had the same problem. I wonder if they are discouraging us from repeatedly checking our predicted PR multiple times in one day?
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Who's discouraging us? If you're referring to Google, they aren't.
It's just that they're in middle of a PR update, that's why the tool(s) aren't working properly, please check after the PR update, and you will see that the tools are working just great.

I hope everyone understand the reason why the tool(s) are having a weird behaviour.

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Oh, i see. I was wondering if maybe people running queries while google was updating made it hard on google, but now that i think about it, google is rich and has a ton of servers!
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