PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR

Richard Joseph · 06-10-2007, 08:02 AM

The Deal with google Page Rank

First off PR only deals with google and only google
People are obsessed with PR "PageRank" which is a numerical rank from 1-10

How do you get a Google PR?
- You gain PR by having other sites link to yours. This is called a "Back-Link"

How to loose PageRank?
- Previous link partners are no longer linking to you
- Link partners have decreased in PageRank
- The number of links on a link partners site has increased
- Increasing the amount of outbound links from your own site can cause you to loose page rank as well
- A large increase of pages within your own site can also cause your PR to drop

Misconceptions about Page-Rank:
-Page-Rank will increase your sites position in google:
This is a huge misconception as most believe that a higher PR rating will increase your sites position within the google search engine.
Fact:
It doest matter what your Page-Rank is if your site it not properly SEO'd
"Search Engine Optimized" This does mean that if there were 2 comparable sites 1 with a PR6 and one with a PR3 both targeting the same audience the PR3 site could be placed higher in the search engine if it were more optimized than its competitor with a PR6. If both sites in this example were SEO'd the exact same "yes" the PR6 site would be placed higher in the SE.

~So having a higher Page-Rank then another site does not guarantee you a better placement~

-Getting a Back-link from a higher PR is better than a lower one
Generally you want higher PR back-links since they are worth more however you need to look at the total number of out-bound links on that page.

For example 2 sites one with a PR6 and one a PR8
PR8 has 112 out-bound links
PR6 has 7 out-bound links

From this example you will receive more PR from the PR6 site since the PR8 page needs to pass pr to all other 112 links rather then just 7

I hope this helps

Richard

Bagi Zoltán · 06-10-2007, 09:43 AM

Richard, your explanation is undoubtedly very valuable. But if i need to choose between a backlink from a PR8 site with 112 outbound links on that, and the PR6 site with 7 outbound links, i will choose the PR8. Some months ago i started to investigate this importance thing. The best resource i found so far which describe the differences among each value is this table. According to this the PR is esteem an exponential graph of the 5. A link from a PR8 site is 5*5=25 times more powerfull than a backlink from a a PR6 site. So you may multiply the 7 links by 25 which is 175. The PR8 site has less, 112 links on that, that will pass more PR to your site.

If the passed PR from the PR8 site is less than from a PR6, i would rather choose the PR8 since that would increase my rankings much more because of the passed trust in my opinion.

Chart Music · 06-10-2007, 12:05 PM

Agree with Bagi.
Richards text is misleading.
Stuff like "So having a higher Page-Rank then another site does not guarantee you a better placement" it's sure correct, but so misleading.
It makes you wonder if the the poster is either into hard sales or simply doesn't know that he's misleading. Either way I posts like this are not useful as so many people will be left with the wrong impression.

Richard Joseph · 06-10-2007, 01:03 PM

You are saying that my text is misleading ?
Are you saying that having a higher pagerank Guarentees you a higher position in the SE?

In that case i you sadly mistaken.
It doesnt matter what you PR is if your not targeting your desired Keywords your not going to show up in the SE for them.

Some one with the domain Dogghouse.com which is about House Repair and not a single mention of there key words "House Repair" in the title or meta or desc or anywhere on the page at all is not going to show up in the SE for " House Repair. Wouldnt Matter if they were a PR10. Thus why i said SEO PR has no play on weather or not your site is optimized for they keywords in the SE

In regards to Bagi Zoltán Comment regarding Link Value - I would suggest a program such as SEO Elite, Its about $167 however its well worth it.

It will anilize all your back-links as well as show you there link value
Here is a list of current Back-Links i currently Have as well as there Link Value

siteground.com/links.htm
PR6 Outbound links=67 Total links=119
Link Value 0.0429
VS
cheneywhite.com
PR4 Outbound links=3 Total links=8
Link Value 0.4250 -
As you can see this single PR4 link has more PR value than a PR6

What i believe you were missing out of the equaton was your TOTAL page links. Out-bound as well as on site links, Out-bound links drain PR as a whole from your site however a page with 100 links to other pages on your site will indeed lower the quelity of a link on that page as PR needs to pass through all those links to your other pages as well. This is why there is a term called "quality links" The more links on a page on site or off site lower the amount of PR that will pass through your link, any seasond SEO proffesional will agree with me. This is the same reason most Link To US scripts on sites say

"we require a reciprical link with a min PR4 and no more than 20 links on the page"

I know from experience as i have had links from PR 7&8 sites that had well over 200 out-bound links and 120 on site links and it increased my PR from
0 -2 & those were the only 2 links

on a diff domain i had a link from 1 PR6 site that had 1 out-bound links and 3 on site links - Bumped my site from 0-PR4

Bagi Zoltán · 06-10-2007, 01:25 PM

Richard, you let us know your opinion, and i let you know mine. I hope some more views will come soon. Maybe OldWelshGuy will find this thread and post his personal opinion as well.

Chart Music · 06-10-2007, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chart Music

Agree with Bagi.
Richards text is misleading.
Stuff like "So having a higher Page-Rank then another site does not guarantee you a better placement" it's sure correct, but so misleading.
It makes you wonder if the the poster is either into hard sales or simply doesn't know that he's misleading. Either way I posts like this are not useful as so many people will be left with the wrong impression.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Joseph

You are saying that my text is misleading ?
Are you saying that having a higher pagerank Guarentees you a higher position in the SE?

In that case i you sadly mistaken.

The word guarantee is of no use in the context of these situations. And to use a negative, you can't guarantee just misleads further. One can't guarantee much on the internet.
It's a pity you use such wording as much of the second post I do agree with.
PR does help, but it's only one thing of many that you have to consider.

Richard Joseph · 06-10-2007, 09:30 PM

Sorry guys was very tired last night when i wrote that.. LOL had not slept in about 36 hours

Bagi Zoltán · 06-11-2007, 04:04 AM

No problem Richard, everybody has bad days sometimes

charlesgan · 06-13-2007, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Joseph

- A large increase of pages within your own site can also cause your PR to drop

this is not true. the pr of the new page will be low. but not the pr of the website.

gotlinks · 06-13-2007, 07:59 PM

Good tips! Thanks for those, I do this stuff on a daily basis but its a good guide for the newer users that sign up!

jwd25 · 06-17-2007, 11:52 AM

Actually am building a huge Article directory and also posting own articles on strong site with at least PR4 and above (which hopefully will stay long). Guess by that, my back link would not be affected.

FtaVip · 06-18-2007, 06:17 AM

Articles will help the PR.

etrader · 06-18-2007, 10:00 AM

nice discussion

but how often google check the backlinks ?

anielsen · 06-18-2007, 03:47 PM

Here's an article on how the Google PR is calculated. It is based on an original article by Google founders:

Google PR Explained

majorkontrapelo · 07-09-2007, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anielsen

Here's an article on how the Google PR is calculated. It is based on an original article by Google founders:

Google PR Explained

OT. Thanks for this.

06-10-2007, 08:02 AM	#1
Richard Joseph IWT Moderator Bum Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 337	PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR The Deal with google Page Rank First off PR only deals with google and only google People are obsessed with PR "PageRank" which is a numerical rank from 1-10 How do you get a Google PR? - You gain PR by having other sites link to yours. This is called a "Back-Link" How to loose PageRank? - Previous link partners are no longer linking to you - Link partners have decreased in PageRank - The number of links on a link partners site has increased - Increasing the amount of outbound links from your own site can cause you to loose page rank as well - A large increase of pages within your own site can also cause your PR to drop Misconceptions about Page-Rank: -Page-Rank will increase your sites position in google: This is a huge misconception as most believe that a higher PR rating will increase your sites position within the google search engine. Fact: It doest matter what your Page-Rank is if your site it not properly SEO'd "Search Engine Optimized" This does mean that if there were 2 comparable sites 1 with a PR6 and one with a PR3 both targeting the same audience the PR3 site could be placed higher in the search engine if it were more optimized than its competitor with a PR6. If both sites in this example were SEO'd the exact same "yes" the PR6 site would be placed higher in the SE. ~So having a higher Page-Rank then another site does not guarantee you a better placement~ -Getting a Back-link from a higher PR is better than a lower one Generally you want higher PR back-links since they are worth more however you need to look at the total number of out-bound links on that page. For example 2 sites one with a PR6 and one a PR8 PR8 has 112 out-bound links PR6 has 7 out-bound links From this example you will receive more PR from the PR6 site since the PR8 page needs to pass pr to all other 112 links rather then just 7 I hope this helps Richard __________________ Please, apply the signature policy Best cpanel Host Vancouver Storage Containers

06-10-2007, 09:43 AM	#2
Bagi Zoltán iWEBTOOL Moderator Contributor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,854	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR Richard, your explanation is undoubtedly very valuable. But if i need to choose between a backlink from a PR8 site with 112 outbound links on that, and the PR6 site with 7 outbound links, i will choose the PR8. Some months ago i started to investigate this importance thing. The best resource i found so far which describe the differences among each value is this table. According to this the PR is esteem an exponential graph of the 5. A link from a PR8 site is 55=25 times more powerfull than a backlink from a a PR6 site. So you may multiply the 7 links by 25 which is 175. The PR8 site has less, 112 links on that, that will pass more PR to your site. If the passed PR from the PR8 site is less than from a PR6, i would rather choose the PR8 since that would increase my rankings much more because of the passed trust in my opinion. __________________ █ Time may come when you will need an excellent eCommerce shopping cart software* █ free seo related web directory mérlegek Free shopping cart

06-10-2007, 12:05 PM	#3
Chart Music iWEBTOOL SEO Advisor Contributor Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,265	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR Agree with Bagi. Richards text is misleading. Stuff like "So having a higher Page-Rank then another site does not guarantee you a better placement" it's sure correct, but so misleading. It makes you wonder if the the poster is either into hard sales or simply doesn't know that he's misleading. Either way I posts like this are not useful as so many people will be left with the wrong impression. __________________ Eco Tours \| Gift Baskets \| Random Keyword See a good post? <--Give thanks by clicking left of post.

06-10-2007, 01:03 PM	#4
Richard Joseph IWT Moderator Bum Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 337	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR You are saying that my text is misleading ? Are you saying that having a higher pagerank Guarentees you a higher position in the SE? In that case i you sadly mistaken. It doesnt matter what you PR is if your not targeting your desired Keywords your not going to show up in the SE for them. Some one with the domain Dogghouse.com which is about House Repair and not a single mention of there key words "House Repair" in the title or meta or desc or anywhere on the page at all is not going to show up in the SE for " House Repair. Wouldnt Matter if they were a PR10. Thus why i said SEO PR has no play on weather or not your site is optimized for they keywords in the SE In regards to Bagi Zoltán Comment regarding Link Value - I would suggest a program such as SEO Elite, Its about $167 however its well worth it. It will anilize all your back-links as well as show you there link value Here is a list of current Back-Links i currently Have as well as there Link Value siteground.com/links.htm PR6 Outbound links=67 Total links=119 Link Value 0.0429 VS cheneywhite.com PR4 Outbound links=3 Total links=8 Link Value 0.4250 - As you can see this single PR4 link has more PR value than a PR6 What i believe you were missing out of the equaton was your TOTAL page links. Out-bound as well as on site links, Out-bound links drain PR as a whole from your site however a page with 100 links to other pages on your site will indeed lower the quelity of a link on that page as PR needs to pass through all those links to your other pages as well. This is why there is a term called "quality links" The more links on a page on site or off site lower the amount of PR that will pass through your link, any seasond SEO proffesional will agree with me. This is the same reason most Link To US scripts on sites say "we require a reciprical link with a min PR4 and no more than 20 links on the page" I know from experience as i have had links from PR 7&8 sites that had well over 200 out-bound links and 120 on site links and it increased my PR from 0 -2 & those were the only 2 links on a diff domain i had a link from 1 PR6 site that had 1 out-bound links and 3 on site links - Bumped my site from 0-PR4 __________________ Please, apply the signature policy Best cpanel Host Vancouver Storage Containers

06-10-2007, 01:25 PM	#5
Bagi Zoltán iWEBTOOL Moderator Contributor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,854	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR Richard, you let us know your opinion, and i let you know mine. I hope some more views will come soon. Maybe OldWelshGuy will find this thread and post his personal opinion as well. __________________ █ Time may come when you will need an excellent eCommerce shopping cart software █ free seo related web directory mérlegek Free shopping cart

06-10-2007, 09:30 PM	#7
Richard Joseph IWT Moderator Bum Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 337	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR Sorry guys was very tired last night when i wrote that.. LOL had not slept in about 36 hours __________________ Please, apply the signature policy Best cpanel Host Vancouver Storage Containers

06-11-2007, 04:04 AM	#8
Bagi Zoltán iWEBTOOL Moderator Contributor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,854	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR No problem Richard, everybody has bad days sometimes __________________ █ Time may come when you will need an excellent eCommerce shopping cart software █ free seo related web directory mérlegek Free shopping cart

06-13-2007, 07:59 PM	#10
gotlinks Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bzimage Posts: 118	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR Good tips! Thanks for those, I do this stuff on a daily basis but its a good guide for the newer users that sign up!

06-17-2007, 11:52 AM	#11
jwd25 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 340	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR Actually am building a huge Article directory and also posting own articles on strong site with at least PR4 and above (which hopefully will stay long). Guess by that, my back link would not be affected. __________________ Joseph SGS Office Space Rental Solution Provider

06-18-2007, 06:17 AM	#12
FtaVip Newcomer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 38	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR Articles will help the PR.

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etrader Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 134	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR nice discussion but how often google check the backlinks ? __________________ http://wikipersona.org http://besttorontocondo.com

06-18-2007, 03:47 PM	#14
anielsen Newcomer Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 25	Re: PageRank Explaned-How to Get & Why you Loose PR Here's an article on how the Google PR is calculated. It is based on an original article by Google founders: Google PR Explained __________________ The Online Business Builder. Learn how to build a successful online business and make money online.

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