Supplemental Results?

jamestl2 · 05-10-2007, 04:38 PM

What exactly are supplemental results?
The pages I want indexed are considered SR, but the pages I don't really need are part of the main index.
Is there any way to get the SR pages into the main index at all?
Thanks

wombleme · 05-10-2007, 05:17 PM

You get sent down 600 results ish for having non-unique content, no links or no content.
Make unique content, link to your own pages and you can get out of the sr

jamestl2 · 05-11-2007, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wombleme

You get sent down 600 results ish for having non-unique content, no links or no content.
Make unique content, link to your own pages and you can get out of the sr

Thanks, but the thing is they are orignal content, I created them myself

jo_cstd · 05-11-2007, 07:31 AM

Read this article by Matt Cutts - > Google Hell

jumpenjuhosaphat · 05-11-2007, 07:52 AM

I read Matt Cutts take on suplemental results, but, it doesn't give us a firm answer. Here is Aaron Walls take on the subject:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Wall - SeoBook

From my experiences pages have typically went supplemental when they became isolated doorway type pages (lost their inbound link popularity) or if they are deemed to be duplicate content. For example, if Google indexes the www. version of your site and the non www. version of your site then likely most of one of those will be in supplemental results.
If you put a ton of DMOZ content and Wikipedia content on your site that sort of stuff may go supplemental as well. If too much of your site is considered to be useless or duplicate junk then Google may start trusting other portions of your site less.
Negative side effects of supplemental:
Since supplemental results are not trusted much and rarely rank they are not crawled often either. Since they are generally not trusted much and rarely crawled odds are pretty good that links from supplemental pages likely do not pull much - if any - weight in Google.

OldWelshGuy · 05-11-2007, 08:34 AM

I would agree with what Aaron says as well. I know there are those who state that duplicate issues will not get you in the SI, but I have seen it too many times not to accept it. Call it what you will, some dress it up as pure dup content, others call it fancy things such as weak page trust etc but WHY is the question we should ask WHY is a page there

Not trusted - WHY?
Low page rank -WHY?
Duplicate content - WHY?

ALL of these things has a why answer and it is the why we need to look at.

Some of the pages on oldwelshguy blog have gone supplemental WHY? The blog has some real good backlinks from some VERY respected blogs (including Matt Cutts' blog), DMOZ etc. One of the SI pages has over 1000 words of unique content that cites other high quality related sites, and has a page rank of 2 (not great but certainly not worth binning)

So lets look at this page in isolation

PageRank 2 - are there any pages in the google index with a lower PR? YES so THAT can't be it then

Unique content - is this a reason for SI Hell? NO WAY

Sowhat ARE th reasons the page has been placed in the SI?

Simple really. No-one knows why. Google simply throw pages in there at random in a lot of cases IMO. I think that google has some sort of maximum main index quota based on some oddball criteria per site, and once that is reached, all other pages get thrown in the SI.

Like many things within the cesspit that Google has become, it shows no rhyme nor reason.

jumpenjuhosaphat · 05-11-2007, 09:18 AM

I think that the supp results are a result of not updating as often as other sites....I have a site...Lost Forum....that seems to drag in a lot more viewers than any other site does. Why? I don't know...but I do know that the searches from Google are what is driving traffic my way.....Just a few days ago, I noticed that Yahoo had indexed me in the top 10 for "John Locke Lost"....Why? I don't know.

One thing that I do know is this: Stop paying attention to the pages that Google, or Yahoo, or MSN doesn't include...Start paying attention to the ones that they do....Those are the ones that bring traffic.

Oh, and listen to OWG, he's a smart guy.

OldWelshGuy · 05-11-2007, 10:08 AM

Thanks for the compliment Jump.

The saying goes, " we learn from our mistakes" I believe we can add to that "but it is cheaper to learn from the mistakes of others"

mpls-web-design · 05-11-2007, 11:44 AM

I'd go through the supplemental result pages and see which ones are the ones you want to keep. If some of the contents are old or obsolete, you may just get rid of them and start something new. Or on these supplemental pages, put out new fresh content. One quick way to get pages out of supplemental is to build good links pointing to these supplemental pages. It is said that supplemental pages don't get crawled often. But spiders follow links. So, if you have backlinks to these pages, that will invite spiders to crawl and index them. From my experience, this is the quickiest way to get pages out of supplemental results.

OldWelshGuy · 05-11-2007, 11:50 AM

MPLS, you have hit the nail on the head there when you make the statement (supplemental pages don't get crawled as often). In fact they DO get crawled. What Google have said is that SI pages don't get INDEXED as often. Crawling and indexing have been seaprate in google for around a year now. The spider might crawl 1000 pages on your site, but only index (add to the google main database) a couple of hundred or less.

I could probably find the link where this was stated somepleace by google if I really had to and someone paid me

jamestl2 · 05-11-2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpls-web-design

I'd go through the supplemental result pages and see which ones are the ones you want to keep. If some of the contents are old or obsolete, you may just get rid of them and start something new.

I'll admit that some of my supplemental pages are duplicates (Old Web Page Titles, previous web design, etc.), and I don't need ALL of them indexed, but most of them are the new custom pages I created.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpls-web-design

Or on these supplemental pages, put out new fresh content. One quick way to get pages out of supplemental is to build good links pointing to these supplemental pages. It is said that supplemental pages don't get crawled often. But spiders follow links. So, if you have backlinks to these pages, that will invite spiders to crawl and index them. From my experience, this is the quickiest way to get pages out of supplemental results.

My only problem is that in order for people to link to my page is that they would have to find my pages, and that would require them finding the pages by Google, so I am in a sort of “Catch-22” situation.

OldWelshGuy · 05-11-2007, 09:26 PM

Create your OWN backlinks

trichnosis · 05-12-2007, 03:19 AM

http://www.seo4fun.com/notes/supplementals.html

05-10-2007, 04:38 PM	#1
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05-10-2007, 05:17 PM	#2
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05-11-2007, 08:34 AM	#6
OldWelshGuy iWEBTOOL SEO Advisor Contributor Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 675	Re: Supplemental Results? I would agree with what Aaron says as well. I know there are those who state that duplicate issues will not get you in the SI, but I have seen it too many times not to accept it. Call it what you will, some dress it up as pure dup content, others call it fancy things such as weak page trust etc but WHY is the question we should ask WHY is a page there Not trusted - WHY? Low page rank -WHY? Duplicate content - WHY? ALL of these things has a why answer and it is the why we need to look at. Some of the pages on oldwelshguy blog have gone supplemental WHY? The blog has some real good backlinks from some VERY respected blogs (including Matt Cutts' blog), DMOZ etc. One of the SI pages has over 1000 words of unique content that cites other high quality related sites, and has a page rank of 2 (not great but certainly not worth binning) So lets look at this page in isolation PageRank 2 - are there any pages in the google index with a lower PR? YES so THAT can't be it then Unique content - is this a reason for SI Hell? NO WAY Sowhat ARE th reasons the page has been placed in the SI? Simple really. No-one knows why. Google simply throw pages in there at random in a lot of cases IMO. I think that google has some sort of maximum main index quota based on some oddball criteria per site, and once that is reached, all other pages get thrown in the SI. Like many things within the cesspit that Google has become, it shows no rhyme nor reason. __________________ Umbrella Consultancy Internet Marketing Company - Rugby Forum - Google Expert Blog

05-11-2007, 09:18 AM	#7
jumpenjuhosaphat Forum Admin Contributor Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 4,459	Re: Supplemental Results? I think that the supp results are a result of not updating as often as other sites....I have a site...Lost Forum....that seems to drag in a lot more viewers than any other site does. Why? I don't know...but I do know that the searches from Google are what is driving traffic my way.....Just a few days ago, I noticed that Yahoo had indexed me in the top 10 for "John Locke Lost"....Why? I don't know. One thing that I do know is this: Stop paying attention to the pages that Google, or Yahoo, or MSN doesn't include...Start paying attention to the ones that they do....Those are the ones that bring traffic. Oh, and listen to OWG, he's a smart guy. __________________ Storage Sheds Lost Forum

05-11-2007, 10:08 AM	#8
OldWelshGuy iWEBTOOL SEO Advisor Contributor Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 675	Re: Supplemental Results? Thanks for the compliment Jump. The saying goes, " we learn from our mistakes" I believe we can add to that "but it is cheaper to learn from the mistakes of others" __________________ Umbrella Consultancy Internet Marketing Company - Rugby Forum - Google Expert Blog

05-11-2007, 11:44 AM	#9
mpls-web-design Newcomer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 25	Re: Supplemental Results? I'd go through the supplemental result pages and see which ones are the ones you want to keep. If some of the contents are old or obsolete, you may just get rid of them and start something new. Or on these supplemental pages, put out new fresh content. One quick way to get pages out of supplemental is to build good links pointing to these supplemental pages. It is said that supplemental pages don't get crawled often. But spiders follow links. So, if you have backlinks to these pages, that will invite spiders to crawl and index them. From my experience, this is the quickiest way to get pages out of supplemental results. __________________ Minneapolis St Paul Web Design Twin Cities Professional Web Design, Development SEO Minneapolis Search Engine Optimization Minnesota Internet Marketing, Minneapolis St Paul, Minnesota

05-11-2007, 11:50 AM	#10
OldWelshGuy iWEBTOOL SEO Advisor Contributor Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 675	Re: Supplemental Results? MPLS, you have hit the nail on the head there when you make the statement (supplemental pages don't get crawled as often). In fact they DO get crawled. What Google have said is that SI pages don't get INDEXED as often. Crawling and indexing have been seaprate in google for around a year now. The spider might crawl 1000 pages on your site, but only index (add to the google main database) a couple of hundred or less. I could probably find the link where this was stated somepleace by google if I really had to and someone paid me __________________ Umbrella Consultancy Internet Marketing Company - Rugby Forum - Google Expert Blog

05-11-2007, 09:26 PM	#12
OldWelshGuy iWEBTOOL SEO Advisor Contributor Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 675	Re: Supplemental Results? Create your OWN backlinks __________________ Umbrella Consultancy Internet Marketing Company - Rugby Forum - Google Expert Blog

05-12-2007, 03:19 AM	#13
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