how is this fair?

detoam · 05-08-2007, 09:46 PM

This is what Google shows as the count for my backlinks

And this is what the real count is:

What the hell. Same goes for my other domains.

gainc · 05-08-2007, 09:50 PM

the 830 is that adding google, y amd msn together?

jumpenjuhosaphat · 05-08-2007, 09:55 PM

Yeah, that's probably quite a bit of overlap. Also, Matt Cutts has stated that the links shown on the link tool are still not showing all of the links that Google knows about.

detoam · 05-08-2007, 09:56 PM

That's just from Yahoo. MSN doesn't work. I think many people have been having trouble with MSN lately. I know their bots are hard at work of all the bots MSN's visit my sites than more often than all other bots combined.

gainc · 05-08-2007, 09:59 PM

I have noticed that google shows more in the webmastertools for me than in the google search. makes sense because if they list all of them the competition would have a field day with that

detoam · 05-08-2007, 10:04 PM

But it's also bad because most people judge but Google so if someone sees that You only have 32 links (that's what Google does when I do a search for backlinks) instead of the real number I don't think they would want to pay as much as they would for the higher number.

jumpenjuhosaphat · 05-08-2007, 10:23 PM

Here's what I am saying:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Cutts

One of the common requests I hear from webmasters is “Why doesn’t Google show me most or all of my backlinks?” Well, as of today, Google’s webmaster console will now let you see your site’s backlinks. Major props to the webmaster console team for this new feature. A few things to know:
- The backlink tool doesn’t show 100% of the backlinks from Google yet, but I expect the number of links that are available to grow.
- In particular, for my site I was easily able to see more than 10x more links in this new tool than the link: command gave me. The link: command has always returned a small fraction of the backlinks that Google knows about, mainly for historical reasons (e.g. limited disk space on the machines that served up “link:” data).
- You can download the backlinks in a really nice CSV format, suitable for slicing and dicing and other analysis. I believe you can export up to a million backlinks if your site has that many backlinks.

- Do not assume just because you see a backlink that it’s carrying weight. I’m going to say that again: Do not assume just because you see a backlink that it’s carrying weight. Sometime in the next year, someone will say “But I saw an insert-link-fad-here backlink show up in Google’s backlink tool, so it must count. Right?” And then I’ll point them back here, where I say do not assume just because you see a backlink that it’s carrying weight.

I’m sure that there was more that I wanted to say, but why don’t people start playing with it and give feedback or post backlink tool-related questions? I know that the webmaster team reads to get feedback over here too; congrats again to that entire team for providing this. If you want to start browsing your site’s backlinks, sign up for Google’s webmaster console now.

detoam · 05-08-2007, 10:43 PM

I hear what he is saying, but from personal experience I would say that he is full of it. Backlinks do carry wait. Unless Your site is already at a high PR You do need those backlinks to get noticed.

It sounds like (correct me if I am wrong) that he is saying that if my site has no backlinks it's okay. Maybe I should build a website and only sign up for the webmaster central. I am sure people will give me a bunch of money to advertise on the site that has no way to be noticed and I am likely to get a PR7 right away.

To be honest I think that he is just trying to excuse Google's sad state of treatment of non paying webmasters. Why is it that Yahoo's equipment can handle all the data and theirs cannot?

Maybe I am just been difficult, but I think that a company that can truly brake or make a webmaster has to be able to show all the data on the webmaster.
Another reason I do not believe him is because they do not delete old information at all. I have been trying to get them to get rid of some of the pages that they are always scanning for. Those pages were deleted long time ago and they have actually refused to get rid of them.
Plus back links is also a measure of how hard a webmaster works to promote his or her product. It's all a part of webmaster's resume, so to say. And pride. I worked really hard to get those back links. And I am proud of my achievement however small it is.
For a guy who started doing all this things 4 months ago I have come a long way. And I want people to see that. Not for it to sit somewhere because some dude says it's not important while he is judging others, by those same numbers.

jumpenjuhosaphat · 05-08-2007, 11:43 PM

I think that what he is saying is that just because you are seeing a backlink on the webmaster central tools, it doesn't mean that it has any value. In other words, a lot of the backlinks listed there make use of nofollow in the anchor, or nofollow in the meta tags, or they could be told not to give any weight to those links in the robots.txt file. He is also implying in a round about way, that some links just don't pass any weight simply because they have been dubbed by Google as being an unnatural link. He said in a more recent blog that Google is going to start giving less link juice to sites that offer premium links without telling the robots that the link is premium. In other words, sites that primarily sell links, or sell links as a means of advertising, won't carry as much, if any weight.

I don't agree with this tactic, I think that this is Googles way of forcing their contextual ads on site owners as an only means of monetizing their sites. I think it's BS....

detoam · 05-08-2007, 11:53 PM

OK I get it.
I agree with You. I think I have said it once already that if they are allowed to sell links and at much higher rate than we do then it is simply B.S.
I actually see it the same as what Microsoft did to their competitors back in the day. They made huge deals with main companies and then simply squeezed the other companies out and bought them out. In any case it does look like MSN is going to buy Yahoo (or as they call it merge). In that case I think that Google will have to back off a bit. Because I don't think that Microsoft is the type of company that would be likely to wanna share. They haven't in the past. They aren't do it now. Just look at the MySpace lawsuits. They even put some woman out of business even though she wasn't breaking the rules.

jumpenjuhosaphat · 05-09-2007, 03:50 AM

I don't know which would be worse though.....Google in control of the search market, or MSN......

detoam · 05-09-2007, 04:04 AM

probably no difference. But it would be interesting to see two biggest technology crooks trying to compete.

wombleme · 05-10-2007, 06:14 PM

I trust google less and less, sad seeing as how idealistic they once were. Whichever company has the better technology will win the se wars, so atleast as customers we are getting some good solutions

pelinga · 05-11-2007, 08:37 PM

detoam,
in the second picture , what tool do yo use?

Bisje · 05-12-2007, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detoam

That's just from Yahoo. MSN doesn't work.

In my case...it is Google that doesn't work :sad:

BTW, pelinga, the tool is from : http://www.linkvendor.com/

cheers,

05-08-2007, 09:46 PM	#1
detoam Junior Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 663	how is this fair? This is what Google shows as the count for my backlinks And this is what the real count is: What the hell. Same goes for my other domains. __________________ Web hosting - with a choice of server location. Link trading

05-08-2007, 09:50 PM	#2
gainc Newcomer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Supplemental Ville Posts: 48	Re: how is this fair? the 830 is that adding google, y amd msn together?

05-08-2007, 09:55 PM	#3
jumpenjuhosaphat Forum Admin Contributor Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 4,459	Re: how is this fair? Yeah, that's probably quite a bit of overlap. Also, Matt Cutts has stated that the links shown on the link tool are still not showing all of the links that Google knows about. __________________ Storage Sheds Lost Forum

05-08-2007, 09:56 PM	#4
detoam Junior Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 663	Re: how is this fair? That's just from Yahoo. MSN doesn't work. I think many people have been having trouble with MSN lately. I know their bots are hard at work of all the bots MSN's visit my sites than more often than all other bots combined. __________________ Web hosting - with a choice of server location. Link trading

05-08-2007, 09:59 PM	#5
gainc Newcomer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Supplemental Ville Posts: 48	Re: how is this fair? I have noticed that google shows more in the webmastertools for me than in the google search. makes sense because if they list all of them the competition would have a field day with that

05-08-2007, 10:04 PM	#6
detoam Junior Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 663	Re: how is this fair? But it's also bad because most people judge but Google so if someone sees that You only have 32 links (that's what Google does when I do a search for backlinks) instead of the real number I don't think they would want to pay as much as they would for the higher number. __________________ Web hosting - with a choice of server location. Link trading

05-08-2007, 10:43 PM	#8
detoam Junior Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 663	Re: how is this fair? I hear what he is saying, but from personal experience I would say that he is full of it. Backlinks do carry wait. Unless Your site is already at a high PR You do need those backlinks to get noticed. It sounds like (correct me if I am wrong) that he is saying that if my site has no backlinks it's okay. Maybe I should build a website and only sign up for the webmaster central. I am sure people will give me a bunch of money to advertise on the site that has no way to be noticed and I am likely to get a PR7 right away. To be honest I think that he is just trying to excuse Google's sad state of treatment of non paying webmasters. Why is it that Yahoo's equipment can handle all the data and theirs cannot? Maybe I am just been difficult, but I think that a company that can truly brake or make a webmaster has to be able to show all the data on the webmaster. Another reason I do not believe him is because they do not delete old information at all. I have been trying to get them to get rid of some of the pages that they are always scanning for. Those pages were deleted long time ago and they have actually refused to get rid of them. Plus back links is also a measure of how hard a webmaster works to promote his or her product. It's all a part of webmaster's resume, so to say. And pride. I worked really hard to get those back links. And I am proud of my achievement however small it is. For a guy who started doing all this things 4 months ago I have come a long way. And I want people to see that. Not for it to sit somewhere because some dude says it's not important while he is judging others, by those same numbers. __________________ Web hosting - with a choice of server location. Link trading

05-08-2007, 11:43 PM	#9
jumpenjuhosaphat Forum Admin Contributor Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 4,459	Re: how is this fair? I think that what he is saying is that just because you are seeing a backlink on the webmaster central tools, it doesn't mean that it has any value. In other words, a lot of the backlinks listed there make use of nofollow in the anchor, or nofollow in the meta tags, or they could be told not to give any weight to those links in the robots.txt file. He is also implying in a round about way, that some links just don't pass any weight simply because they have been dubbed by Google as being an unnatural link. He said in a more recent blog that Google is going to start giving less link juice to sites that offer premium links without telling the robots that the link is premium. In other words, sites that primarily sell links, or sell links as a means of advertising, won't carry as much, if any weight. I don't agree with this tactic, I think that this is Googles way of forcing their contextual ads on site owners as an only means of monetizing their sites. I think it's BS.... __________________ Storage Sheds Lost Forum

05-08-2007, 11:53 PM	#10
detoam Junior Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 663	Re: how is this fair? OK I get it. I agree with You. I think I have said it once already that if they are allowed to sell links and at much higher rate than we do then it is simply B.S. I actually see it the same as what Microsoft did to their competitors back in the day. They made huge deals with main companies and then simply squeezed the other companies out and bought them out. In any case it does look like MSN is going to buy Yahoo (or as they call it merge). In that case I think that Google will have to back off a bit. Because I don't think that Microsoft is the type of company that would be likely to wanna share. They haven't in the past. They aren't do it now. Just look at the MySpace lawsuits. They even put some woman out of business even though she wasn't breaking the rules. __________________ Web hosting - with a choice of server location. Link trading

05-09-2007, 03:50 AM	#11
jumpenjuhosaphat Forum Admin Contributor Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 4,459	Re: how is this fair? I don't know which would be worse though.....Google in control of the search market, or MSN...... __________________ Storage Sheds Lost Forum

05-09-2007, 04:04 AM	#12
detoam Junior Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 663	Re: how is this fair? probably no difference. But it would be interesting to see two biggest technology crooks trying to compete. __________________ Web hosting - with a choice of server location. Link trading

05-10-2007, 06:14 PM	#13
wombleme Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 65	Re: how is this fair? I trust google less and less, sad seeing as how idealistic they once were. Whichever company has the better technology will win the se wars, so atleast as customers we are getting some good solutions __________________ Try some fresh look colorblends contact lenses. Or some thrilling Philosophy texts. Or even my computer tutorial website. Its as good as my javascript encryptor

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pelinga Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 125	Re: how is this fair? detoam, in the second picture , what tool do yo use? __________________ Lisisoft::Panload::About-Recipes Calculate Page Rank

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